Online Poker Forum - Full Tilt Bans OPR from posting player rankings!!!!

Sand Wedge_100 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 1545

One other thing is this is gonna screw up the BAPs.
Who do you invest in and-------
Altho one would like to assume no one would cheat but IDK they have died on us you know.
Methinks there is some deeper politics goin on here. Mabye payoffs etc.

bigpairde · Chipluder Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 8905

Zarken_Ventreth · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:52 am Post subject:

Thanks to all for your replies on this subject. Thanks fei for the link to pokerlabs. I didn't really care to spend the time to create a database and hand fill all of the info into it each time I played a tourney or a sit and go. OPR was simply a nice way to keep an eye on my overall stats (I've only played here at Full Tilt for 7 weeks total as I much prefer live games to online games) and to see where I was doing well and where I could use improvement. Nothing more.... nothing less. I do not understand how Shark Scope and some of the premium sites can be allowed to show the same data, or in some cases even more... as long as you pay for it, but OPR cannot. Sorry to get a bit bent out of shape about this. Best of luck to all at the tables!

Zark

timeobrien64 · Pair Joined: 04 Dec 2008 Posts: 23

i agree with drewg22, as long as its open to everyone , then everyone has the same advantage, i did use it to see if i the players were good or bad,, usually if they had poor stats , i stayed away from them becuse i know they would play poor hands early in the game and out of position,,so i used that info to my advantage. doesnt mean that it always works though.. its still poker..but i tell what i would like, is if u could please work on the hands where the lower kicker is the favorite..seems like the lower kicker wins alot more than it should ... by alot..alot. and i know im gonna hear bout this .. but those hands in particular need to be addressed.. in my humble opinion...

drewg22 · Full House Joined: 25 May 2008 Posts: 234

Mr Svenson · High Card Joined: 14 Sep 2008 Posts: 4

I agree with the opinion posted by feihua earlier and I find FTP's arguments legitimate.

But two things strike me as being kind of awkward:

First, FTP used the OPR website for advertisment and therefor was long time aware of the purpose of OPR. And not only for a couple of weeks but for years.

Secondly, if a player wished his or her statistics to be hidden, OPR provided an immediate service to do so. So a person could decide individually whether or not the stats could be viewed. And if someone felt harassed by others based upon his open stats, it was in his or her own hands to stop this.

Finally, I hope that FTP bans either ALL tracking data sites or gives back the dicision to hide data to the individual!

Looking forward to a non-peer pressure future!

mgodd · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject:

I hope they decide to change their decision about this. I use it mostly as a way to track my own performance, and now it is difficult to do this. Yes, there is still Sharkscope, but you only have limited options for it unless you pay for a subscription, and I personally think OPR is a better site in general. It is also a very useful tool for investors when they are choosing their horses for stakes or investing in BAPs.

Zarken_Ventreth · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject:

Not the first time this has been done... something similar happened with Poker Stars and OPR in April...

Mr Svenson · High Card Joined: 14 Sep 2008 Posts: 4

One last comment:

To me it looks more like Pokerstars outdid FTP in regards to advertisement deals, so FTP decided to revenge...
Hope that's not the case but looks like it at least from my limited point of view.

GorilainaPhnbth · Straight Joined: 02 Oct 2007 Posts: 103

I used it mainly to track my own stats since its easiest and check how my friends are doing. Maybe even see how some of the forum posters here are doing. I rarely used it at the tables unless I see someone playing very well late.

I thought you could e-mail OPR if you didnt want your stats displayed? If I didnt want others to see my stats I would do just that.

mgodd · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject:

Also, my thoughts and prayers go out to deton8whore. I know this must be a very tough time in his life right now.

bigpairde · Chipluder Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 8905

PinkSharkMark · High Card Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 10

A very bad and completely unnecessary decision which benefits no one. As others have pointed out, anyone can e-mail OPR and they will remove all info about that player with no argument. If - and this is a very big if indeed - knowing someone's OPR ranking is an unfair advantage, it is a subtle advantage indeed, and an advantage available to everyone FOR FREE. And - as others have pointed out - how does knowing a guy at my table is ranked at just 6.5% in MTT play tell me how I should play him? Should I raise him more often than I raise other players or less often? Is his win/loss record as bad as it is because he plays too many hands or not enough hands? Because he bluffs too often or not enough? Because he bets more than he should or less than he should? Because he rebuys too often or because he fails to take the add-on when he should?

Not being able to check my refreshed OPR rank this morning was like a kick to the belly, seriously.

Here is the e-mail I sent to the FTP support folks this morning

I strongly, STRONGLY protest the position Full Tilt Poker is taking on the service Official Poker Rankings provides to the online poker community. For FTP to claim this ranking service is in any way equivalent to a "shared hand database" is completely absurd and shows you guys have done no homework whatsoever. Clearly there is no comparison at all!

As a new poker player struggling to learn this game - I played the first hand of poker in my life on Full Tilt Poker using play chips just over a year ago, and my first real money tournament at the end of August, 2008 - I find one of the greatest pleasures of my entire day is when I check my ranking at OPR each morning. It is literally the first thing I check when I log on to the internet, and I have watched my ranking improve from 42% for the year 2008 to over 94% for the year 2009. I cannot begin to tell you how much of a thrill I get from being able to track my progress, and that of my online friends I have met over the last year at Full Tilt.

I am a very small stakes player, as you can easily tell by reviewing my tournament history, and my OPR ranking is almost as important to me as my actual bankroll, I kid you not! I don't think you guys understand just how much we "little guys" who are new to poker are sustained by seeing our OPR rankings slowly improve.

As for your idea that somehow I gain some kind of advantage by checking the OPR rankings of the people at a table I am playing over people who don't check the OPR rankings, I quite honestly fail to see your argument here. The most - and I do mean the MOST - knowing the OPR rankings of these people will tell me is that player X, for example, doesn't win a lot of tournaments, so I'd better bet against him differently than I would against a guy who wins a LOT of tournaments. Well.... SO WHAT??? What exactly does that tell me? HOW does that information guide my play? All I know is he doesn't cash in as many tournaments as, say, fifty per cent of the other players being tracked by OPR. I have no idea WHY he fails to cash!

I don't know whether he fails to cash because he goes all in on any two cards - so I should call his bets more than I would with the average player because he likely has junk as his hole cards - or because he folds playable pockets too readily when someone re-raises him - or because he folds to any bluff - or any of a dozen other reasons or combination of reasons. All I know from OPR is that he wins fewer tournaments than I do. Or that he wins MORE tournaments than I do, whatever.

I cannot begin to get you guys to understand how devastated I was this morning to be unable to see the small bump in my ranking I was expecting from having finished 14th out of a field of 324 in a $2.00 + 0.25 tournament. Yesterday OPR had me sitting at just around 94% and I really wanted to see if I could hit 95% for the first time in my career.

Sorry.... I guess I am repeating myself now, but I am so very disappointed in Full Tilt Poker over this decision. You guys have pissed off a very, VERY large group of people, while achieving no benefit whatsoever to the people supposedly being "harmed" by OPR's service. My ranking is IMPORTANT to me. So important I am very seriously considering taking my business to another Poker site. Yeah, I know you guys don't make a lot of rake off low stakes players like me, so you won't be hurt financially by my leaving, and I will miss the elegance of the Full Tilt software, but knowing how well I am doing against the rest of the online poker players MATTERS to me.

It matters a lot.

Please, please, PLEASE reconsider your stance on this, I beg you.

drewg22 · Full House Joined: 25 May 2008 Posts: 234

Nice post PinkShark.

I agree 100% that as new player I also greatly enjoyed watching my rank improve.

myztecal · High Card Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 4

why,why,why This really sucks no more OPR. I guess will have to go to stars.

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