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boxingcritic
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bizarroquinn
IQ of 260
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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Location: I WANT RAKEBACK, CHICAGO, IL
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this is total crap. MLB just lost a court case against some bloggers who were blogging the results of baseball games.
Guess what, even tho the MLB says that no retransmission or rebroadcast or re-telling of the game is allowed.
FACTS ARE NOT COPYRIGHTABLE.
This is why no one owns the right to the phone book, they own the rights to the organization of data held within.
OPR can keep on doing what they're doing legally, imo. IANAL, but will full tilt make other websites that report on live tournaments also stop tracking players that also have FTP accounts?
It's really a poor move by FTP, and honestly, really pisses me off. There is no advantage to knowing events a player has won, cashed, or busted out in. It's just FACTS.
And really this just kills BAP research. I mean more people are gonna get scammed, and have no way to see if a person is legit. You wouldnt back a live player without seeing his tourney history, now you cant do the same for online games, why?
What makes online poker rooms think they have more control of the FACTS of tournament results than B&M room, or poker tours (WSOP, WPT, EPT, etc).
I hope they get this fixed. quick. |
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TheFlashOne
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Below a further response from FT Support - the 'site I mentioned' is Sharkscope... I guess that because it's not an afilliate they can't 'demand' they remove FT stats...
Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
Your feedback is much appreciated, and we encourage you to always let us know how you feel about your online poker experience. Many of our features were created based on feedback from our players.
As mentioned in our previous email, we agree that Official Poker Rankings provides a great service to its customers, and we fully understand the value of the information they provide. Rest assured, we are currently working towards a resolution with Official Poker Rankings that will suit all the parties involved. We hope to have the matter resolved as quickly as possible.
The site you mentioned in is not an affiliate of Full Tilt Poker. We do not support the methods they use to collect data and are constantly working to prevent uninvolved parties from gathering player?s information. The use of any software or website that gives players an unfair advantage is not allowed, including those that contain statistics derived from hands and/or tournaments in which you did not participate. Again, Full Tilt Poker does not actively provide any results or performance numbers to anyone.
You can actually have your information removed from public view by visiting SharkScope.com and heading to the F.A.Q. section of their website. Unfortunately your tournament statistics will still be viewable to people who subscribe to the service.
We appreciate your business, as well as your patience and understanding. If there's anything else we can assist you with, please let us know.
Regards,
Rafael
Full Tilt Poker Support |
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drewg22
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So the ban is off but no more SnG's under 30 people tracked.
I guess its time to find another way to track all my stats. |
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PinkSharkMark
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Okay, looks like OPR and Full Tilt worked out sort of a compromise.
First, when you log onto OPR you have to agree to a Terms of Service stating you won't use the info found there to demean, belittle, insult, etc. other players. No surprise there.
But the substantive change is that OPR will no longer display results from Sit and Go tourneys of less than thirty people. From the OPR explanation:
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To solve the dispute with Full Tilt Poker (see below) we have accepted not to display sit-and-goes tournaments with less than 30 players going forward. Full Tilt Poker has decided that displaying statistics based on these tournaments gives our users an unfair advantage.
In addition we have agreed that our users will have to accept a "Fair use policy" before they can access ROI, Profit and ABI on Official Poker Rankings.
We have suggested Full Tilt Poker, that in addition to their decision players could be given a choice to release their own restricted (sit-and-goes with less than 30 players) statistics to the public themselves or at least get access to their own complete statistics, but for now Full Tilt Poker has turned down these suggestions.
Anyway, we are glad that we again are able to display the most important Full Tilt Poker tournaments and statistics and we hope you still will find Official Poker Rankings a useful service.
Thanks to all of you who took time to forward your opinion to us and directly to Full Tilt Poker. Your help has undoubtedly been instrumental in highlighting the importance of Official Poker Rankings to Full Tilt Poker.
Thank you all for your strong support. |
I personally am delighted to have access to my rankings again! By the way, I have indeed finally managed to crack the 95% barrier for the first time - Yay for me! Just one per cent more to get my seventh star. So from my own selfish standpoint, this compromise is adequate for my needs. I very VERY rarely play Sit and Go tourneys of any size, so their affect on my rankings is negligible.
However, I feel it is short-sighted in the extreme of Full Tilt to place the restrictions on the display of what is essentially "STT" data. Two of the best uses of the OPR data bank are the spotting of collusion - which is almost exclusively limited to ring games and STT play - and providing information for people interested in staking other players or doing the BAP thing (Buy A Piece). BAP perhaps not so much - that practice I guess is mostly limited to high buy-in MTT play, but certainly people looking for backers or looking to stake others need reliable, neutral, third-party information on how well the player in question does at THE key money-making venue of online play: the daily grind of playing STT after STT after STT, often four at a time or even more.
Again, since I myself rarely play STT tourneys (with the exception of the occasional satellite, either cash or FTP points) I will not bother to pursue the matter further.
But I suspect I am in the minority here. From what I have read, the vast majority of players build their bankrolls through canny and steady STT play rather than going the much choppier MTT route. I think those players have been shafted big time by Full Tilt, for sure, and if I were one of those players I would keep up the pressure on Full Tilt to adopt a RATIONAL position on the matter. What is my idea of a rational position, you ask?
Simple.
I believe Full Tilt should include - either as an additional step to their initial sign-up procedure or as part of their first welcome e-mail message to newly-signed members - an explanation of what it is that OPR does, the reasons Full Tilt believes OPR might provide an unfair advantage to players the new member may run up against, and a hotlink to the department at OPR responsible for delisting players, so the new member can hide himself from OPR listing from the very beginning of his online existence if he so chooses.
If Full Tilt doesn't feel that is enough, they could send periodic reminders in each of their regular e-mail messages containing the latest Pro tip. Hell, they could have a little splash box pop up every time a member signed in, for that matter. Or every tenth time or whatever.
But no.... that would make too much sense, leaving the decision up to the individual player, wouldn't it? Personal responsibility - what a concept!
Anyway, I leave the rest of you to run with this further if any of you are STT players. From my own selfish perspective, I have gotten back what I was missing - a way to track my own MTT results. I personally don't give a hoot that I can't check the STT results. Of either myself or of anybody else. If I ever get into STT play at some future point, I may feel differently, but now that Poker Stars has a Mac native client, I will probably just play STT tourneys at Poker Stars if I ever decide STT play is for me.
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PinkSharkMark
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Zarken_Ventreth
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Joined: 09 May 2009
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Location: High in the Mountains
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Banning the reporting of 9 player STG's is going to kill my rankings as those games are where I cash most often! I had a near 50% cash rate from 1 July to today and NONE of those are showing up on my OPR stats. As a result... my ranking has dropped and my ROI is basically reporting my first two weeks of playing way over my head in anything and everything. Some fix! Oh well... I guess a new spreadsheet is in order to track my results and calculate my "real" ROI etc.
Best of luck to all at the tables.
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Zarken_Ventreth
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Location: High in the Mountains
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Just found out that if you want to freeze out others from seeing your OPR stats... you cannot see them either! What a crock! Since you have to log in to have access to full results you would think that there would be a way to do both. Oh well... I suppose its just another hassle to pile on this whole mess.
Count me as frustrated!
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jeffr8
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Location: On a boat
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Just noticed this today from OPR:
"We are currently not able to track any FTP tournaments because of the recent FTP update. We hope to find a solution."
EDIT- also it seems Sharkscope can't track them either. |
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bundle
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| OPR is a waste of time, the stats are way off, they tell you nothing, if they cannot backtrack a tournement that they missed then why bother tracking FT. |
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francois8
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Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Location: getting bent over the bubble
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| why ressurrect a dead thread? |
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tiltslowplayer
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I generally confine myself to the Sunday guarantee tournament, but when I am at work I like to fool around at micro play for about a buck in the hopes that it helps me in the Sunday by screwing up my"sharkscope" or whatever else guys are using.
I would ban them all to even the playing field. |
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Boomshakaboom
Taking a Timeout
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Location: London
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| i nunderstand why they should be banned but there so useful for looking at your own stats and ofcourse others, but yh finding a player whos on tilt and making his tilt worse is abit unfair |
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