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Thebestinpoker1
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 Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: First hand KK all-in Netherlands freeroll correct play? |
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After late-registering in this freeroll I got dealt KK as in the hand history below. What happened feels like a really bad beat and I feel like I played the hand correctly.
But I think it was correctly played for tv-poker...
But, was it correctly played for a tourney like this...?
Hand history:
Full Tilt Poker Game #14694774628: $100 Netherlands Freeroll (107788783), Table 5 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:40:47 ET - 2009/09/14
Seat 1: kreekie1 (1,680)
Seat 2: rnkemp (1,275)
Seat 4: Kalenees (3,210)
Seat 5: Thebestinpoker1 (1,500)
Seat 6: 10us82 (1,365)
Seat 7: bakito (1,470)
Seat 8: Amberdalic (1,500), is sitting out
Seat 9: cowboy hilly (1,270)
bakito posts the small blind of 15
Amberdalic posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Thebestinpoker1 [Kh Ks]
cowboy hilly calls 30
kreekie1 folds
rnkemp raises to 135
Kalenees folds
Thebestinpoker1 has 15 seconds left to act
Thebestinpoker1 raises to 240
10us82 folds
bakito folds
Amberdalic folds
cowboy hilly calls 210
rnkemp has 15 seconds left to act
rnkemp raises to 1,275, and is all in
Thebestinpoker1 calls 1,035
cowboy hilly calls 1,030, and is all in
rnkemp shows [Td Ac]
Thebestinpoker1 shows [Kh Ks]
cowboy hilly shows [2h 5h]
*** FLOP *** [2c Kc 3h]
*** TURN *** [2c Kc 3h] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [2c Kc 3h 7c] [8c]
rnkemp shows a flush, Ace high
Thebestinpoker1 shows three of a kind, Kings
rnkemp wins the side pot (10) with a flush, Ace high
cowboy hilly shows a pair of Twos
rnkemp wins the main pot (3,855) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,865 Main pot 3,855. Side pot 10. | Rake 0
Board: [2c Kc 3h 7c 8c]
Seat 1: kreekie1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: rnkemp showed [Td Ac] and won (3,865) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: Kalenees didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Thebestinpoker1 showed [Kh Ks] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 6: 10us82 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: bakito (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Amberdalic (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: cowboy hilly showed [2h 5h] and lost with a pair of Twos
Thought I won the pot when I saw trips but lost in the end. Some total nutcake going all-in witn 2h 5h, phew, I just can't believe losing that many chips with that good a hand....
Please tell me if this was correct and try to teach me something, cause I'm trying to learn....
Offtopic: I'm playing poker for 1 and a half month now. |
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fat rugger
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I would have raised more preflop. But that is not really the point.
You got the money in good and got sucked out on. People play like this in free roles.
Unlucky. |
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tracysanders
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| open shove preflop all day long here please |
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Thebestinpoker1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I played a few freerolls of this kind before and I know that, if I raised pre-flop more, the guy with 5 2 would've called just as easy as he raised all-in....
so I can't really understand what difference it would've made....
I just feel indignant about this event. I got myself thinking now:
If I can't call an all-in with KK anymore on a 7-handed table while I know people go all-in all of the time with nothing and every hand that contains an Ace and I can't cheer anymore with trips kings post-flop and have a highly unlikely runner-runner nut flush see drawn against me....
Well, I feel like no hand is good enough anymore for an all-in. If you never go all-in in these tournaments, then you just will not win....
I mean, just do the math, in the most likely case you will see a board which contains a rainbow+1 suited card.
The chances the suited card is a clubs card is 1 in 4. The chances that also a third card is clubs is at least 1 in 4 too and the fourth is as well.
That's 4*4*4=64. So it happens 1 out of 64 times....
Well, I'm no mathematician, but the chances of having trips kings when having pocket kings already I believe is this: 2/50.
So it happens 1 in 25 times.
So I feel I should've won and the thing that makes it all the more cruel is that I had trips kings. Well, don't go play poker if you can't handle bad beats....
Next time I will go all-in as well.
Please keep commenting! 
Last edited by Thebestinpoker1 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:10 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Thebestinpoker1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| tracysanders wrote: |
| open shove preflop all day long here please |
What're you talking about? |
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fat rugger
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Thebestinpoker1 wrote: |
I played a few freerolls of this kind before and I know that, if I raised pre-flop more, the guy with 5 2 would've called just as easy as he raised all-in....
so I can't really understand what difference it would've made....
That's kind of the point you should be happy about these bad calls
I just feel indignant about this event. I got myself thinking now:
If I can't call an all-in with KK anymore on a 7-handed table while I know people go all-in all of the time with nothing and every hand that contains an Ace and I can't cheer anymore with trips kings post-flop and have a highly unlikely runner-runner nut flush see drawn against me....
Of course you can why are you getting so bent out of shape over one bad beat. MTT's are high variance games.
Well, I feel like no hand is good enough anymore for an all-in. If you never go all-in in these tournaments, then you just will not win....
I mean, just do the math, in the most likely case you will see a board which contains a rainbow+1 suited card.
The chances the suited card is a clubs card is 1 in 4. The chances that also a third card is clubs is at least 1 in 4 too and the fourth is as well.
That's 4*4*4=64. So it happens 1 out of 64 times....
Well, I'm no mathematician, but the chances of having trips kings when having pocket kings already I believe is this: 2/50.
So it happens 1 in 25 times.
Your odds of hitting a set are better than 1/25
So I feel I should've won and the thing that makes it all the more cruel is that I had trips kings. Well, don't go play poker if you can't handle bad beats....
Next time I will go all-in as well.
of course
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Thebestinpoker1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| fat rugger wrote: |
| Thebestinpoker1 wrote: |
I just feel indignant about this event. I got myself thinking now:
If I can't call an all-in with KK anymore on a 7-handed table while I know people go all-in all of the time with nothing and every hand that contains an Ace and I can't cheer anymore with trips kings post-flop and have a highly unlikely runner-runner nut flush see drawn against me....
Of course you can why are you getting so bent out of shape over one bad beat. MTT's are high variance games.
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I know I shouldn't care about a bad beat like this. But I'm just really a player that's keen on winning. I like the game very much, don't get me wrong. But I just feel it's kinda sad to lose the first hand, though I should be counting on the fact I'll probably lose the most of the tournaments when the donks aren't out yet. But I expected to be pokering all the evening, because I can tell I'm getting better and better. But then suddenly I lose the first hand which after the flop I was counting on to win( truly chances were 1:16).
I know I was right, this and that, it's just a feeling I should contemplate on and let it go to be a better player I suppose.  |
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tracysanders
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Thebestinpoker1 wrote: |
| tracysanders wrote: |
| open shove preflop all day long here please |
What're you talking about? |
I mean the first time you act preflop you push the max button and then click on the little button that says 1500- this is a freeroll still in late registration chances are you will get called by worse |
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Thebestinpoker1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| tracysanders wrote: |
| Thebestinpoker1 wrote: |
| tracysanders wrote: |
| open shove preflop all day long here please |
What're you talking about? |
I mean the first time you act preflop you push the max button and then click on the little button that says 1500- this is a freeroll still in late registration chances are you will get called by worse |
Well, what's the difference, 99% chance they would've called me anyway and I would've lost too.
I don't see the added value of going all-in pre-flop next to slowplaying all-in pre-flop the first hand...? |
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Thebestinpoker1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Want to post this hand too. Would you be kind enough to comment this hand too, because it has more added value to it, in comparison with the hand I posted already to have this commented:
Full Tilt Poker Game #14670180332: .COM Face the Ace - Round 1 (107770404), Table 19 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:26:18 ET - 2009/09/13
Seat 1: Thebestinpoker1 (1,290)
Seat 2: ata66 (2,700)
Seat 3: bike4car (10,945), is sitting out
Seat 4: stingky (12,845)
Seat 5: TCjellie (12,485)
Seat 6: lightfoot1031 (28,728)
Seat 8: mohick (1,615)
Seat 9: 53buick (1,005)
ata66 posts the small blind of 30
bike4car posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Thebestinpoker1 [Ac Ad]
stingky calls 60
TCjellie calls 60
lightfoot1031 calls 60
mohick calls 60
53buick calls 60
Thebestinpoker1 has 15 seconds left to act
Thebestinpoker1 raises to 180
ata66 has 15 seconds left to act
ata66 folds
bike4car folds
stingky calls 120
TCjellie calls 120
lightfoot1031 calls 120
mohick calls 120
53buick calls 120
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9c 2h]
stingky checks
TCjellie checks
lightfoot1031 checks
mohick checks
53buick bets 825, and is all in
Thebestinpoker1 has 15 seconds left to act
Thebestinpoker1 calls 825
stingky folds
TCjellie folds
lightfoot1031 calls 825
mohick folds
*** TURN *** [Ks 9c 2h] [4h]
lightfoot1031 checks
Thebestinpoker1 has 15 seconds left to act
Thebestinpoker1 bets 285, and is all in
lightfoot1031 calls 285
Thebestinpoker1 shows [Ac Ad]
lightfoot1031 shows [Kd 4s]
53buick shows [Kh 8c]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 9c 2h 4h] [7s]
Thebestinpoker1 shows a pair of Aces
lightfoot1031 shows two pair, Kings and Fours
lightfoot1031 wins the side pot (570) with two pair, Kings and Fours
53buick shows a pair of Kings
lightfoot1031 wins the main pot (3,645) with two pair, Kings and Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,215 Main pot 3,645. Side pot 570. | Rake 0
Board: [Ks 9c 2h 4h 7s]
Seat 1: Thebestinpoker1 (button) showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: ata66 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: bike4car (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: stingky folded on the Flop
Seat 5: TCjellie folded on the Flop
Seat 6: lightfoot1031 showed [Kd 4s] and won (4,215) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 8: mohick folded on the Flop
Seat 9: 53buick showed [Kh 8c] and lost with a pair of Kings
Especially it has in common that it's a good pre-flop hand too and that it's 7-handed as well. Otherwise it's a little further into the tourney( though this time it's a face the ace). |
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Danduy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Preflop with 5 callers and a raise to 3xbb is to little. Even the ones behind you can almost call because they will know that the early limpers will call also giving them huge odds. Don't be afraid to push this hand preflop. In fact you only looking for 2 callers tops and take their stacks if possible.
The pot was about 400 already so you where pot commited anyway. Shove it in and hope for one or two calls. Don't see a flop with maybe 6 people with only little left, because it is going in anyway.
Let them figure out what to do. Sure, you want to make money with this hand, as much as possible. Do not go broke with this hand by trying to get as many callers as possible, there are suited connectors for this. Shove-it preflop in this circumstances. |
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AllInDrawinDead
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| This is not strategy. This is looking for sympathy over bad beats. Keep shoving, run better. |
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Thebestinpoker1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Danduy:
I was a bit afraid to become to committed to the pot because I was scared to be beaten with pocket Aces I suppose as it happened to me before( prolly a selffulfilling prophecy because of not shoving pre-flop), without realizing I was committed to the pot already. Thanks for the lesson  . |
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Thebestinpoker1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| AllInDrawinDead wrote: |
| This is not strategy. This is looking for sympathy over bad beats. Keep shoving, run better. |
Maybe it is. So what.
I'm just a complete newb looking for a little help. Poker isn't all about the cards. It's about the strategy. By posting here I'm trying to keep my strategy on the rails and hoping to get some comments to improve my game not only in this situations, but to overall up my game... |
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MPMTL
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Always shove KK here... ESPECIALLY in a freeroll. |
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