Online Poker Forum - Do any of these plays make me a "bad" player?

skeeter1114 · Voice of Reason Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 4068

I'm playing at the start of a PLO8 MTT, and get called a bad player. Here are the only hands I've shown prior to this comment:

Seat 1: buckeyes76 (2,940)
Seat 2: VioletaPoker (2,730)
Seat 3: TI CATS (3,000)
Seat 4: skeeter1114 (2,940)
Seat 5: boonie69 (2,985)
Seat 6: pocket8ball (3,218)
Seat 7: tilerman (2,850)
Seat 8: psychodog (3,300)
Seat 9: Kavalaras (3,037)
pocket8ball posts the small blind of 15
tilerman posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skeeter1114 [5c Ks 5h Kc]
psychodog calls 30
Kavalaras folds
buckeyes76 folds
VioletaPoker folds
TI CATS folds
skeeter1114 raises to 90
boonie69 folds
pocket8ball calls 75
tilerman calls 60
psychodog calls 60
*** FLOP *** [6c 9s Qd]
pocket8ball checks
tilerman checks
psychodog checks
skeeter1114 bets 210
pocket8ball folds
tilerman folds
psychodog calls 210
*** TURN *** [6c 9s Qd] [Kh]
psychodog has 15 seconds left to act
psychodog checks
skeeter1114 checks
*** RIVER *** [6c 9s Qd Kh] [9c]
psychodog checks
skeeter1114 bets 400
psychodog has 15 seconds left to act
psychodog calls 400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skeeter1114 shows [5c Ks 5h Kc] a full house, Kings full of Nines, for high
psychodog mucks
skeeter1114 wins the pot (1,580) with a full house, Kings full of Nines
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,580 | Rake 0
Board: [6c 9s Qd Kh 9c]
Seat 1: buckeyes76 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: VioletaPoker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: TI CATS didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: skeeter1114 showed [5c Ks 5h Kc] and won (1,580) with HI: a full house, Kings full of Nines
Seat 5: boonie69 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: pocket8ball (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: tilerman (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: psychodog mucked [Ac Jh Qs 3s] - HI: two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 9: Kavalaras didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #13365319019: $10 + $1 Tournament (98825143), Table 9 - 15/30 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 10:24:59 ET - 2009/07/13
Seat 1: buckeyes76 (420)
Seat 2: VioletaPoker (8,430)
Seat 3: TI CATS (60)
Seat 4: skeeter1114 (3,760)
Seat 5: boonie69 (2,985)
Seat 6: pocket8ball (3,068)
Seat 7: tilerman (2,700)
Seat 8: moniquevandeven (3,000)
Seat 9: Kavalaras (2,977)
Kavalaras posts the small blind of 15
buckeyes76 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skeeter1114 [Qh 3s Kc Kd]
VioletaPoker folds
TI CATS raises to 60, and is all in
skeeter1114 calls 60
boonie69 calls 60
pocket8ball folds
tilerman has 15 seconds left to act
tilerman has timed out
tilerman folds
tilerman is sitting out
Kavalaras calls 45
buckeyes76 calls 30
*** FLOP *** [7d 8s 8c]
Kavalaras checks
buckeyes76 checks
skeeter1114 checks
boonie69 bets 300
Kavalaras folds
buckeyes76 folds
skeeter1114 calls 300
*** TURN *** [7d 8s 8c] [7s]
skeeter1114 checks
boonie69 checks
*** RIVER *** [7d 8s 8c 7s] [Kh]
skeeter1114 bets 750
boonie69 folds
Uncalled bet of 750 returned to skeeter1114
skeeter1114 wins the side pot (600)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skeeter1114 shows [Qh 3s Kc Kd] a full house, Kings full of Eights, for high
TI CATS mucks
skeeter1114 wins the main pot (300) with a full house, Kings full of Eights
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 Main pot 300. Side pot 600. | Rake 0
Board: [7d 8s 8c 7s Kh]
Seat 1: buckeyes76 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: VioletaPoker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: TI CATS mucked [7h 6h 9d 9c] - HI: three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 4: skeeter1114 showed [Qh 3s Kc Kd] and won (900) with HI: a full house, Kings full of Eights
Seat 5: boonie69 folded on the River
Seat 6: pocket8ball didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: tilerman (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: moniquevandeven is sitting out
Seat 9: Kavalaras (small blind) folded on the Flop

Seat 1: buckeyes76 (360)
Seat 2: VioletaPoker (8,430)
Seat 4: skeeter1114 (4,300)
Seat 5: boonie69 (2,625)
Seat 6: pocket8ball (3,068)
Seat 7: tilerman (2,700), is sitting out
Seat 8: moniquevandeven (3,000)
Seat 9: Kavalaras (2,917)
buckeyes76 posts the small blind of 20
VioletaPoker posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skeeter1114 [Ks 2d Ad 4c]
skeeter1114 calls 40
boonie69 folds
pocket8ball folds
tilerman folds
moniquevandeven folds
Kavalaras folds
buckeyes76 raises to 160
VioletaPoker folds
skeeter1114 calls 120
*** FLOP *** [6h 4h Td]
buckeyes76 bets 200, and is all in
skeeter1114 calls 200
buckeyes76 shows [8d 8c 3s As]
skeeter1114 shows [Ks 2d Ad 4c]
*** TURN *** [6h 4h Td] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [6h 4h Td 4d] [7c]
buckeyes76 shows two pair, Eights and Fours, for high and 7,6,4,3,A, for low
skeeter1114 shows three of a kind, Fours, for high and 7,6,4,2,A, for low
skeeter1114 wins the high pot (380) with three of a kind, Fours
skeeter1114 wins the low pot (380) with 7,6,4,2,A
tilerman has returned
buckeyes76 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 760 | Rake 0
Board: [6h 4h Td 4d 7c]
Seat 1: buckeyes76 (small blind) showed [8d 8c 3s As] and lost with HI: two pair, Eights and Fours; LO: 7,6,4,3,A
Seat 2: VioletaPoker (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: skeeter1114 showed [Ks 2d Ad 4c] and won (760) with HI: three of a kind, Fours; LO: 7,6,4,2,A
Seat 5: boonie69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: pocket8ball didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: tilerman didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: moniquevandeven didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Kavalaras (button) didn't bet (folded)

Maybe I stayed a little longer with KK on the 2nd hand? Other than that, I have no idea what provoked this guy (Tilerman) to say that I was a bad player. He wouldn't say why, when asked for a reason. So, if there is something I did wrong, please let me know.

cardfish2 · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

2nd hand - yeah, that was pretty bad to call flop
3rd hand - get all the chips in pre

craigo6x · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject:

1st hand-don't love the preflop raise, but I can accept it. (I don't love it because it's so early)

2nd hand- meh. I'm ambivalent. I don't necessarily feel you have to fold on the flop, but if he fires the turn I'm gone. Then again, a fold on the flop isn't bad either.

3rd hand - I hate. You have a suited Ace, 3 to a wheel, and two to broadway and you LIMP IN? You should be shot.

cubbies760 · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject:

!st Hand....I'm not wild about the PF raise, but it's alright. I don't like the check OTT. You must be concerned about TJ, but I'd be happy with betting there.

2nd Hand....Fold PF, unless you're pretty sure that it'll be limped around. Check/fold the flop.

3rd Hand....Don't limp PF, and as played, get it in PF.

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject:

Why do you care? I would love it if someone at my table had me pegged as a 'bad player' and wouldn't try to change their mind through chat at all. It's to your advantage and trying to change that is more about the ego than being a good player.

vectorspace · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject:

Based on these 3 hands, I would also label you a very weak player at this game. I know you're a very strong NLHE player though. I would open fold the first 2 hands without thinking twice about it. They are definitely not playable in the limit version of this game. I guess they can have more value in the PL version since it will be easier to stack someone, but you still rarely want to play a hand that has no shot at the low. KK55 I guess is slightly more playable than KKQ3, but I still fold it. How many flops are gonna help your hand? KKx, 55x, K33, that's about it. Even flops like KQT, AK4, JT5 must be played cautiously. Even when you do hit it hard, you're either not going to get much action, or you'll only get 1/2. The 2nd hand is total garbage and should definitely be folded pre. You're basically only playing with 3 cards. I don't see anything wrong with the 3rd hand, that's definitely a premium hand. You can either limp or raise with it pre depending on how the table's been playing.

After flop:

H1: Check flop, check turn, bet river
H2: Fold to his flop bet.

Karmastang · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:31 am Post subject:

Your first 2 hands you should have just folded.. Don't get caught up playing pocket pairs in this game because in the long run you're just going to be wasting your money.. This goes for aces as well, unless your aces include an extra low card, to make a low and are suited.. Pushing with AA109 all unsuited is just asking for trouble.

Remember, it's omaha HI and LOW - since you can get a low lock/wrap as a starting hand it's best to stick with these and just take the high hand as a bonus... Playing hands like AKQJ is very temping, and even tempting to raise with but your odds of chasing half the pot are pretty high.. Figure this, there are 8 low cards (A2345678) and 5 high cards (910JQK) - You do the math.. It's more probable for low boards. If you're gonna play high cards it's best to just limp with them.

Simple rule of thumb for me is A, K, or Q suited with 3 to the low that are under 6 including one Ace...
Ks As 4d 5c
Qs Ad 2h 5h
Kd Ad 3c 5s

And the like...

Also, try avoiding putting too much money into the pot preflop in this game... Even if you start out with a great hand, anything can happen on the flop (you raise big with AA109 and flop comes 257, your toast, and hoping for 50% at best) A nice value bet is nice but calling half your stack to see a flop isn't going to work out in the long run.

Another thing to keep in mind with A2. Don't always raise with this, as it gives your hand away, and don't always put tons of money into a pot with 3+ other players on a low board when A2 is the nuts, as there is usually someone else holding the same thing, resulting in you getting quartered, at best.

Just my opinions..

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