Online Poker Forum - Daily Dollar - TT in yuck spot

bleffo19 · Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: Daily Dollar - TT in yuck spot

only the 2nd hand so absolutely no reads. villain played the first hand but folded OTT. fwiw villain's play in following hands was kinda questionable.

what are we doing in this spot? is the flop call OK? i was considering jamming over a turn bet, but once it's potted im not too sure anymore.

Full Tilt Poker Daily Dollar No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players -
The Official Hand History

CO: t2870 M = 95.67
BTN: t2970 M = 99
SB: t2960 M = 98.67
BB: t3000 M = 100
Hero (UTG): t3000 M = 100
UTG+1: t3200 M = 106.67
UTG+2: t3000 M = 100
MP1: t3000 M = 100
MP2: t3000 M = 100

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG with T Spade

T

Hero raises to t70, 4 folds, CO calls t70, 3 folds

Flop: (t170) 5 Diamond

8

2

(2 players)
Hero bets t120, CO raises to t530, Hero calls t410

Turn: (t1230) 7 Club

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t1230, Hero requests TIME

lurgertor · Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject:

Call me a nit, but I think I'm folding here.

billymetsfan00 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Nov 2007 Posts: 2145

eh its hard to say. It is the daily dollar so he could be a maniac. I think its likely he had a good ace (q8-a8) or a pair and a flush draw. I would think we are ahead here

HuJwang · Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:07 am Post subject:

since it's a $1 i'm probably just jamming the flop and assuming he's one of those idiots who can't fold any top pair or draw. sets aren't that likely and fish don't normally play them this strong, so the only hands i'm really worried about are JJ-QQ and a smaller chance of KK-AA. most of the time i think he has something dumb like 8x or a draw.

also, since he appears to have lost some chips on the first hand, i think you would have at least some sort of read on him even if it is very vague. for example a player who limp/calls on the first hand is overwhelmingly likely to be bad.

tracysanders · Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:58 am Post subject:

JamesDaBear · Full House Joined: 28 Feb 2009 Posts: 190

I think unless you saw something on the first hand that we're not privy too... if you're calling the flop bet, you should be willing to go with this when another undercard comes on the turn. I could see maybe 46 might be worth a semi-bluff on the flop with the double-gutter.

On the second hand of the Daily Dollar, you just can't assume he's a good enough player to be calling in position with hands that beat you unless it's 87. He's not smooth calling you from in position with hands that beat you and then playing it that fast. If you're worried that you're sharkbait there, he's going to let you hang yourself and not make such a scared bet on the turn.

A8 is likely or two big diamonds is possible as well as someone had mentioned earlier. If he has a set, he might have raised you big on that flop... but he's not going to want to scare you off on that turn. That's assuming he's any good and can call with a small pair in position and respect your UTG raise (which is very unlikely in the Daily Dollar) while still set mining, but if he was that good he wouldn't be trying to bet you off your diamond and straight draws that hard.

Early in the Daily Dollar, this is the spot you're looking for. I'm not suggesting you raise him here or don't fold to an overcard on the river, but you also shouldn't be worried about short-stacking yourself. I've come back from having only 700 chips at 50/100 to make the final table of this tournament.

Even without you saying his following play was questionable, there are so few hands he beats you with that he plays this way. If he's a real maniac, 46 and 69 are possible... but 67, 87, KQd, AJd and A8 are the only hands I can see someone at this level betting like this... and you're in very good shape against all but one of them.

dcdoorknob · Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject:

In a $1 tourney I'm getting it in here and being pretty darn happy about it. I prob just shove flop after his raise. He'll snap with 89o or the like sooooo often.

Pokergal812 · Full House Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 153 Location: Jersey

this is interesting and something that's going to make me think... My first instinct in your shoes is to fold this early, I'm thinking, no need to put my chips or tournament at risk sooooo early on, regardless if it's a dollar or a $1,000 tourney.... this is probably why, while I eek out a little money - haven't really been able to take any big leaps upward in BR...

craigo6x · Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject:

I putting my chips in 110% of the time here.

francois8 · Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject:

Once I bet that flop, and he raises, I shove all in immediately. I feel comfortably ahead of his range here, which includes a lot of overcards, lots of diamonds, lots of 78/98/A8/8x hands, and pretty much any pair. I'm only worried about 22, 55, 88 and JJ, since I can't imagine QQ+ flatting preflop. Instead of trying to figure out which of these he has when turn card hits, I'd just shove now after his raise OTF.

HuJwang · Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject:

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