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Magic-Circle
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 Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: Call or Fold? |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #11228975179: $10 + $1 Tournament (84277247), Table 9 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Omaha H/L - 20:54:45 ET - 2009/03/19
Seat 1: 2DamnHype (158,239)
Seat 2: Shoush (62,349)
Seat 3: Magic-Circle (35,404)
Seat 4: buckeyes84 (188,471)
Seat 6: Nietzsche123 (43,326)
Seat 7: perjoker77 (34,585)
Seat 9: kurtz99 (35,626)
2DamnHype antes 600
Shoush antes 600
Magic-Circle antes 600
buckeyes84 antes 600
Nietzsche123 antes 600
perjoker77 antes 600
kurtz99 antes 600
Magic-Circle posts the small blind of 2,500
buckeyes84 posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Magic-Circle [Jc Ah Jh 2s]
Nietzsche123 folds
perjoker77 folds
kurtz99 raises to 35,026, and is all in
2DamnHype folds
Shoush folds
Call or fold here? opinions?
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craigo6x
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Tough hand. I've never understood players who call all in with nothing but low draws.
You though have JJ and a suited Ace.
I'd be happy to be first into the pot here, but i really think you are calling to hopefully win 1/2 the pot. I'd probably fold. |
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Magic-Circle
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
Tough hand. I've never understood players who call all in with nothing but low draws.
You though have JJ and a suited Ace.
I'd be happy to be first into the pot here, but i really think you are calling to hopefully win 1/2 the pot. I'd probably fold. |
The full hand:
ull Tilt Poker Game #11228975179: $10 + $1 Tournament (84277247), Table 9 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Omaha H/L - 20:54:45 ET - 2009/03/19
Seat 1: 2DamnHype (158,239)
Seat 2: Shoush (62,349)
Seat 3: Magic-Circle (35,404)
Seat 4: buckeyes84 (188,471)
Seat 6: Nietzsche123 (43,326)
Seat 7: perjoker77 (34,585)
Seat 9: kurtz99 (35,626)
2DamnHype antes 600
Shoush antes 600
Magic-Circle antes 600
buckeyes84 antes 600
Nietzsche123 antes 600
perjoker77 antes 600
kurtz99 antes 600
Magic-Circle posts the small blind of 2,500
buckeyes84 posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Magic-Circle [Jc Ah Jh 2s]
Nietzsche123 folds
perjoker77 folds
kurtz99 raises to 35,026, and is all in
2DamnHype folds
Shoush folds
Magic-Circle calls 32,304, and is all in
buckeyes84 calls 30,026
kurtz99 shows [4s 5c 3c 2d]
Magic-Circle shows [Jc Ah Jh 2s]
buckeyes84 shows [9c Ad 3d 6s]
*** FLOP *** [4d 8s 8d]
*** TURN *** [4d 8s 8d] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [4d 8s 8d 2h] [5h]
kurtz99 shows two pair, Eights and Fives, for high and 8,5,4,3,2, for low
buckeyes84 shows a straight, Six high, for high and 5,4,3,2,A, for low
buckeyes84 wins the high side pot (222) with a straight, Six high
buckeyes84 wins the low side pot (222) with 5,4,3,2,A
Magic-Circle shows two pair, Jacks and Eights, for high and 8,5,4,2,A, for low
buckeyes84 wins the high main pot (54,306) with a straight, Six high
buckeyes84 wins the low main pot (54,306) with 5,4,3,2,A
Magic-Circle stands up
kurtz99 stands up
In hindsight it was a bad call, although I got a decent price on the hand, once buckeyes had called. If I fold I've got another circuit until the blinds and I woulda moved up a place in the money.
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craigo6x
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's not a bad call "in hindsight." If you won, would you think it was a good call?
If you break your hand down, you've got a pair of Js, a nut low draw with no back-up, and a nut heart flush possibility. If you were first into the pot, I'd put it in every day, however because you have someone else ready to invest on their hand, you just aren't strong enough preflop, and you need to rely on making a hand. |
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Magic-Circle
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
It's not a bad call "in hindsight." If you won, would you think it was a good call?
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No, but I woulda been a lot happier!!!
I take on board what you say tho, as an opener its fine, but its not so clever calling an all in raise with it. Thanks for your comments mate, I appreciate them.
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Strasse
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Id prob have called, but I play for the win. |
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cardfish2
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Unless I know it's a good player, I call that every time. 90% of the peeps in these tourneys way overvalue marginal hands. |
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keegs22
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Whether I call or fold here depends a lot on how tight the guy has been playing
| craigo6x wrote: |
If you break your hand down, you've got a pair of Js, a nut low draw with no back-up, and a nut heart flush possibility. If you were first into the pot, I'd put it in every day, however because you have someone else ready to invest on their hand, you just aren't strong enough preflop, and you need to rely on making a hand. |
Excellent analysis! |
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Magic-Circle
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so I ran the hand through the simulater verses the top 10% of hands the pot equity is about 50/50, but against AA** I'm a dog, but at around 6/4. I'd probably make the call 99 times out of a 100 given my chip stack at time. There are times when you just have to gamble, and I think this was one of them.
It was nice to get to that final table, I'm hoping to go 6 better than I did there soon!
You know for all the bad beats, high flops when you got ABC, being fished out of half again, being quartered when you had 20 outs to make nut/nut and those aces not holding up yet again! Hi Lo is one helluva game and we all love it!!
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imfspyder
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| i liked the call |
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