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Penoyer79
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 Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:55 am Post subject: Bubble with KK vs Ace flop |
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its a $2.25 buy-in 9 player sit n go
4 left on the bubble blinds are 150/300
Everyone has roughly 3000 chips.
mentally im feeling steamed a bit. really fast and big action table - lost a few players early. the bubble began at the 25/50 level and i had over 6000 chips in my stack and two of the stacks had less then 1000.
they each took turns sucking out on me in dominated situations... and before i knew it ... we're all even and everyone is playing well. however the blinds are getting big for our stacks.
i get Ks Kc - UTG. i raise to 777
Small Blind smooth calls... everyone folds. (its been raise and take it pre flop.. so getting just called here was a bit of a surprise.)
The Pot is about 2000
The Flop Ah 2h 9h.
I bet 950 and the Small Blind shoves all-in for his last 1300 chips.
should i call? he has me covered.
if i fold, i have roughly half my stack left (1500ish)
i wish i had just moved in pre-flop... but everyone had been folding raises- and i really wanted to nail someone on a good flop... unfortunately for the second time this tournament... my KK ran into an Ace board... and once again... i got re-raised when i bet into it.
i did end up folding... the very next hand i shoved all in with 99.. and got called by AA and was knocked out on the bubble - the perfect end to a very frustrating tournament. |
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kcstoltz
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fold lots of possabilities flush aa patience wait for better odds just my opinion
more opinions would help |
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vectorspace
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, shoving preflop is the best play imo. As played, I think you did it right. Just unlucky. |
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fat rugger
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Bubble with KK vs Ace flop |
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| Penoyer79 wrote: |
I bet 950 and the Small Blind shoves all-in for his last 1300 chips.
should i call? he has me covered.
if i fold, i have roughly half my stack left (1500ish)
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This part has me confused. If he has you covered by raising it 350 chips how will folding leave you with 1500 chips? This is why posting the converted hand history instead of describing the hand helps so much.
So I will try to comment on it both ways I think you could mean.
If it is only 350 to call then you absolutly must call.
If it is the rest of your stack (1500) you can fold and try to blind steal your way back into contention. Although this is debateable with so much of your stack commited and the possibility of him shoving middle pair.
I missed your starting stack but I would normally lead out 3xbb unless you have 10bb or less. Then I am shoving pre. |
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Cdub512
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I would fold to this flop raise, but I would go all in with KK preflop. There isn't really a point to slow play huge hands this late in a sit and go. Even if people fold your raises, its ok since I would rather take a small pot than possibly losing a big one that could end your sit and go. |
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babiiverson8
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Fold, theres no reason he would bluff you with a 350 raise all in. Probably had Face+ace |
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fat rugger
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| babiiverson8 wrote: |
| Fold, theres no reason he would bluff you with a 350 raise all in. Probably had Face+ace |
I think this is a bad idea.
If it is only a 350 raise into a 4k pot(which is not clear from the hand description) you absolutly have to call as you are getting 11:1 on your money. The chance that he could be shoving middle pair make this an easy call. And with those odds you are even getting about the right price to look for a king on the turn or river (~8%) |
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cese
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| i think you have to shove preflop or raise like 80% of your stack which commits you anyways. raise folding flop is just horrible imo |
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fat rugger
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| cese wrote: |
| i think you have to shove preflop or raise like 80% of your stack which commits you anyways. raise folding flop is just horrible imo |
Yes 10bb is a must shove. No arguments there.
My point to the poster above me is that as played he cannot fold for 350 into what is now a 4k pot. |
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babiiverson8
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| Honestly, I'd probably call if it was a live situation, but if I know i'm beat (especially with that board) and don't have a lenient chip stack, I'll save the 350. |
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fat rugger
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| babiiverson8 wrote: |
| Honestly, I'd probably call if it was a live situation, but if I know i'm beat (especially with that board) and don't have a lenient chip stack, I'll save the 350. |
To each his own i guess. |
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cese
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| babiiverson8 do you realize how sure you have to be for this fold to be correct? |
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NilesMonkey
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Color me confused...
Are we talking about a 350 raise to 1300, or is it a 1300 raise to 2250? |
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fat rugger
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| NilesMonkey wrote: |
Color me confused...
Are we talking about a 350 raise to 1300, or is it a 1300 raise to 2250? |
That was my first comment in this thread. Now we are just speculating about what should be done depending on what the op meant. |
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NilesMonkey
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Bubble with KK vs Ace flop |
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Ah, I see it now.
| fat rugger wrote: |
This part has me confused. If he has you covered by raising it 350 chips how will folding leave you with 1500 chips? This is why posting the converted hand history instead of describing the hand helps so much.
So I will try to comment on it both ways I think you could mean.
If it is only 350 to call then you absolutly must call.
If it is the rest of your stack (1500) you can fold and try to blind steal your way back into contention. Although this is debateable with so much of your stack commited and the possibility of him shoving middle pair.
I missed your starting stack but I would normally lead out 3xbb unless you have 10bb or less. Then I am shoving pre. |
This. |
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