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Villain is same tag player from an interesting hand I just posted.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.30 Ante - 6 players -
The Official Hand History

UTG: $420.35
MP: $260.35
Hero (CO): $910.45
BTN: $242.60
SB: $1198.85
BB: $263.50

Pre Flop: ($4.80) Hero is CO with Q Heart

J

9

Q

1 fold, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $10.80, 1 fold, SB raises to $38.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $27.40

Flop: ($82.20) 7 Club

8

(2 players)
SB requests TIME, SB bets $58, Hero calls $58

Turn: ($198.20) Q Club

(2 players)
SB requests TIME, SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($198.20) 9 Spade

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $99.10, SB requests TIME...

I think my PF call is fine given how deep we are. Flop call is floting thinking that I can take it way almost every time unless he actually hit an 8. He might be getting frisky given how deep we are but I think that is very unlikely from him esp being oop. Now I hit the perfect card on turn. At this point I hope he has and 8, but decided to check back because as I said I think he woudl likely fold there if I were to bet a blank turn such as the Q appears to be.

Now I obviously have to bet once he checks to me. OTR it may be more likley I am trying to steal, but that card also completed a wrap draw if that is what I had on flop. What should be my bet sizing here, and what can I expect to get paid off by? I expect a str8 will pay there and maybe trip 8's, as will any other boat obviously, but will AQ or overpair?

But my real question is what if he reraises? My image is such that I would bet the str8 there on the river, but probably would not pay off unless I had a boat of my own. This should take away the value from reraising anything but third nuts or better (not counting quads). That should actually incease the value in bluffing there, but then again he's not durrrr so I don't expect he'd ever bluff here, so if he is great 4 him (or me Very Happy

).

That leaves 99 (highly unlikely) and maybe Q8xx are the only hands he can possibly think he can get some value out of me with if I have 8's full. But really, given stack sizes, is he ever doing that with anything but quads this deep? Like I said he is a firaly tight thinking player, but has not been involved in any big pots that the fish was not part of thus far. So if he repots after he times, do I insta call, puke call, or even consider folding?

francois8 · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:

I at least insta call if he raises, I may even repot... if he has 88, good for him. I don't play at these stakes though, but I don't fold nut boats worrying about quads, if that happens I pay it off, folding has to be -EV. Lesser boats are tougher of course, but you didn't play this hand like you had QQ.

I can't think of a reason not to bet the turn though. If he has an 8 let him make a big mistake, that queen doesn't hit anything except QQ which of course you have. If he's got AAxx or KKxx, let him think that you either floated him on flop or maybe have some kind of wrap and are trying the stop and go. If he has some sort of big pair hand, nearly any river card is going to shut him down, especially that 9 there.

dodge these · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject:

francois8 · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject:

ILoveQLei · Pair Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 29

I think the river bet of 1/2 the pot is a bit fishy. I think if he's going to call 99, he'll call pot. I think in essence, the way this hand came out, obviously he doesnt have an 8, and most likely has Aces or Kings or some weird AKxx double suited hands. It's pretty easy to say the hand was over once you called the flop. I dont think I would have waited till the river. I would probably fire the turn regardless of what comes up as long as he checks. If he continues to fire and try to rep an 8, i might make a call on turn and raise on river as long as it's not A or K.

As far as how this hand turned out, I dont think he's putting you on QQ, but then again some players just go by their guts and say, "wow he called 58 on the flop, he must have QQ or KK. There's no way he has an 8, he would raise me!!" There's plenty of fishy players out there, but yeah, he's probably putting you on an 8 and you need to bet the turn to take it away. Now if he's a cautious but brave player, he knows this. He might call one on the turn. And pay you on the river. Regardless, the river came dangerous. Wrap draws hit, and his Aces are no good anymore. Even if you didnt have the 8 and was drawing, you got there. He's probably aware that you know he has AAxx, and would value bet a naked 8 in this spot. I just dont think you'll get called with a 1/2 pot bet, if i were you, i'd put in a full pot bet on the river.

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