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donotraisemebro · Pair Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 40

Full Tilt Poker Game #8507242868: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (64765424), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:40:53 ET - 2008/10/15
Seat 1: Chenzer McChenz (1,485)
Seat 2: ricvic (1,865)
Seat 3: BigLouDJ (1,665)
Seat 4: Thick4 (1,560)
Seat 5: BulletproofAK (1,140)
Seat 6: DoNotRaiseMeBro (1,355)
Seat 7: CUSTOM_CAR (1,500)
Seat 8: IB_SHADY (1,430)
Seat 9: rwc1234 (1,500)
DoNotRaiseMeBro posts the small blind of 20
CUSTOM_CAR posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DoNotRaiseMeBro [6s 8c]
IB_SHADY folds
DoNotRaiseMeBro: hey its captain donk
rwc1234 has 15 seconds left to act
rwc1234 folds
DoNotRaiseMeBro: with his !##$ty hands that always win
Chenzer McChenz has 15 seconds left to act
Chenzer McChenz folds
ricvic raises to 80
BigLouDJ folds
Thick4 calls 80
BulletproofAK calls 80
DoNotRaiseMeBro calls 60
CUSTOM_CAR folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd 6h 8d]
DoNotRaiseMeBro bets 280
ricvic has 15 seconds left to act
ricvic: just luck tonight no hard feelings
ricvic raises to 560
Thick4 folds
DoNotRaiseMeBro: yeah def. not skills
BulletproofAK folds
DoNotRaiseMeBro raises to 1,275, and is all in
ricvic calls 715
DoNotRaiseMeBro shows [6s 8c]
ricvic shows [Ks Qs]
*** TURN *** [Qd 6h 8d] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 6h 8d 3d] [3s]
DoNotRaiseMeBro shows two pair, Eights and Sixes
ricvic shows two pair, Queens and Threes
ricvic wins the pot (2,910) with two pair, Queens and Threes
DoNotRaiseMeBro: haha
DoNotRaiseMeBro stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,910 | Rake 0
Board: [Qd 6h 8d 3d 3s]
Seat 1: Chenzer McChenz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: ricvic showed [Ks Qs] and won (2,910) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 3: BigLouDJ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Thick4 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: BulletproofAK (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: DoNotRaiseMeBro (small blind) showed [6s 8c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sixes
Seat 7: CUSTOM_CAR (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: IB_SHADY didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: rwc1234 didn't bet (folded)

lenny_bruce · Message Board Junkie Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 1374

That's a pretty standard beat, %75/%25 i think. Not really post worthy.

Also, most people are probably just going to post "Fold pre-flop", heh.

donotraisemebro · Pair Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 40

bingy1990 · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject:

The odds of that after the flop must be in the hundreds. Sad

htichy78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 1350

fold pre flop imo

Loopholes202 · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject:

TheGnomeBank · Banned Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 964

Well even I, the skeptical Gnome, can't see too much wrong with that hand. Count the outs !

After your nice 2 pair flop you have essentially only 4 out cards that can improve your holding from 2 pair to full house which are 2 x 6s and 2 x 8s.

Your opponent however, after making his flopped pair of Qs has more outs. He has:

2 x Qs (to make trips)
3 x Ks (to make top 2 pair)

and after any random turn card he then has 3 more outs (the remaining 3 of that turn card left in the pack) to make his 2 pair on the river (as actually happened). Thats at least 8 outs to your 4.

If you're on a 9 player table those outs are taken from a remaining deck of 31 cards. 8 outs from 31 cards is approx 1 in 4 chance.

So overall no big deal that I can see. Of course it always sucks when you suffer the 1 in 4 rather than other 3 in 4 !

I think my own poker sucks a lot at the moment and I'm studying to get better, but my view at the moment is that TPTK and 2 pair are rarely enough to win it at this game. You need trips, straights and flushes and I tend to hold out for these far more lucrative hands than 2 pairs (especially 2 low pairs!) and I certainly wouldn't get drawn into an all-in situation with a low 2 pair. Maybe that's a weak strategy on my part, not sure.

I suspect thought that in reality, your history with this loose annoying player fueled your desire to catch him and bust him after what looked like a nice flop and made you invest more into the pot that the hand warranted. 10/10 for giving it a go though Smile

These pests need to be swatted !

jeffr8 · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:32 am Post subject:

TheGnomeBank · Banned Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 964

Yep you're right, it's late afternoon and I'm wrecked from 1am poker last night !

7 cards visible after flop. 45 remaining in the deck and other players hands.

Player 1 has 4 outs to improve his hand, 4 in 45 = 1 in 11 ish
Player 2 has 8 outs in 45 to hit top 2 pait which is about 1 in 5.5

LostOstrich · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:24 am Post subject:

Pretty sure it's about a 75/25 chance as Lenny says. Maybe a bit less as we factor in the small possibility of hero making a boat.

On flop, villain has 5 outs, roughly 10% chance of hitting on turn.
On turn he will have a further 3 outs, so about 15% to hit on river.

Nosmo555 · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:

You called a preflop raise with crap.

You flopped bottom two and got all your chips in with the best of it and got outdrawn.

Standard.

Next time fold preflop.

tjb111 · forum BAP bumper Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 3783

nekotec · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject:

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