Online Poker Forum - 6 5 call allin in bb?

doyle11 · Full House Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 198

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 8 players -
The Official Hand History

BTN: t4035 M = 4.04
SB: t7293 M = 7.29
Hero (BB): t3105 M = 3.10
UTG: t8590 M = 8.59
UTG+1: t18125 M = 18.12
MP1: t3410 M = 3.41
MP2: t3135 M = 3.13
CO: t7960 M = 7.96

Pre Flop: (t1000) Hero is BB with 6 Diamond

5

2 folds, MP1 raises to t3360 all in, 4 folds, Hero calls t2655 all in

i felt like i was live against 2 overcards..is it still right to call based on that fact in this spot?

lurgertor · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:49 am Post subject:

I think mathematically you're getting the right price, so its up to you.

goomlah · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:56 am Post subject:

TECHNICALLY you are getting the right price, but only if he doesn't have 55 or better. 1000 in the blinds and antes he raises 2255 more. So 2255 to win 3255. that's 1.44/1. Personally I can wait for a better spot then this.

TinkyTyler · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:58 am Post subject:

Maybe ure getting the right price against overcards but he can easily have a pair too... Sure your M is 3, but Im definitely waiting for a better spot with either a better hand, or when you can open shove and steal some blinds.

deadmeat82 · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject:

francois8 · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:52 am Post subject:

TBH, I'd prefer open shoving whatever you had the hand before UTG or the hand before that UTG+1... if you're the first one into the pot, there's always a chance that everyone else will fold to you... and if they call, the math is the same as it is here.

Basically I'd rather shove first with my eyes closed then CALL all in with 6 high offsuit.

THEPOKERCAT200 · Banned Joined: 19 Nov 2009 Posts: 198

Yeah the "call any shove with 2-1 odds" rule doesnt apply when you're short stacked and losing the hand will cripple you. Just fold this and open shove ATC at the next opportunity.

HuJwang · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject:

i might be missing something here but by my calculations you're calling 2655 to win 4055 or about 1.52:1. you need about 39.6% equity against his range. you aren't getting the right price against overcards at all, and you're doing horrible against a range that includes pairs.

even if he's shoving 90% of hands here you aren't getting the right price to call.

goomlah · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject:

Hero has less then villain. I put that into account when I did the calculations hujwang. But the math is irrelevant, you can find a better spot.

StrikingEagle · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject:

THEPOKERCAT200 · Banned Joined: 19 Nov 2009 Posts: 198

HuJwang · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject:

alew22 · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject:

correct odds or not, i just can't see myself calling off my life with 56o with 20 ppl to go till the money....i'd be more inclined to fold this and then open-shove 72o from the button 2 hands from now.....

francois8 · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject:

With these stacks, someone else should shove first... That's why I'd prefer Open shoving in MP or EP before we get to BB in this situation.

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 5140

math aside, the dynamics of 90man KOs say instafold this as you still can create fold equity if you fold this hand and open shove in the next orbit.

also, i dont believe youre getting the right odds anyway. even if MP2 is shoving literally ATC (which he isn't.) you only have 39.944% equity.

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