Online Poker Forum - $5.50 45-man: Aces

renegades8 · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: $5.50 45-man: Aces

No reads on villain. He hasn't played any big pots when I was there, he must have got his stack before I got moved to this table. I just won a 3700 pot the previous hand with AQ on a Q high flop.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players
The Official Hand Converter

BB: t5115 M = 113.67
UTG: t1205 M = 26.78
UTG+1: t1200 M = 26.67
Hero (MP1): t4935 M = 109.67
MP2: t6570 M = 146
CO: t1360 M = 30.22
BTN: t2830 M = 62.89
SB: t1090 M = 24.22

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is MP1 with A Diamond

A

UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, Hero raises to t120, 4 folds, BB calls t90, UTG calls t90, 1 fold

Flop: (t405) 6 Heart

3

4

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t275, BB raises to t600, UTG folds, Hero calls t325

Turn: (t1605) 3 Diamond

(2 players)
BB bets t1650, Hero ???

Also, how is my line up to this point?

Danduy · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:00 am Post subject:

Tough spot here,

First of all, make the raise a lot bigger after two players limped in already. The call for the BB to make is nearly better than 2:1 so the UTG get even better odds. And the main reason to avoid big stacks limping in is the reason why you post this question.

The BB check raises 2 players and that's a pretty strong move for playing out of position from someone you don't have any read on.
From this point on everything is possible:

- an overpair like 88-99 or even 66 ( these are limp and calling hands preflop)
- Semi bluff with a flush/straight draw (QJs, KQs, etc.)

But then again, the blinds are small, you have a descent chip stack and you just collide with the only opponent at the table that could break you, and you don't have a clue what he has ot how he plays.

I would prefer the laydown and save the rest until you get a much better read on him and take on the smaller stacks who fear your stack. Try to avoid the big stacks at all times untill you have a strong hand. The only one who benefits from this collision are the small stacks. They don't have to fear 2 big stacks, but only one of you bust him or the other way around.

The mistake of folding the best hand is open for disccusion. But a much bigger raise preflop could have taken the pot right away and saved this ugly situation. And if he also was playing KK or AK and was limping to go all-in after a reaise from a smaller stack to take him out, you could have the best scenario suited for you.

My conclusion:
- Raise a lot bigger preflop, if someone goes all-in, no problem (if you get 3 or 4 callers - big trouble)
- I would fold the hand with some hesitation and if he shows a bluff that is no pleasant sight or he might think his 77 is good, but i would not risk my tournament life even with aces in this spot, take my big stack and move on.

Good luck at the tables

Mikah · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject:

I agree with most of what the other guy said.You should have raised to at least 185 to 200 chips preflop.that way you only get 1 or 2 callers at most.

Also by raising it bigger,then with this flop,you dont have to worry about 52 or K3 or A3 or 64 suited hitting 1 or 2 pair plus straight and flush draws.

66,33,22 could still call a bigger raise and have you beat,but its unlikely.

By raising bigger preflop you put pressure on the other players to make a mistake,in either folding,flatting,or reraising,or reshoving on you preflop.

And then postflop players might shove with 77 to JJ.And if you had raised to at least 185 to 200 chips preflop,then with the board that came up,you could easily call all in and fistpump versus the likely calling ranges preflop.

But since you raised small,your up against 66,33,22,77-JJ,52,straight plus flush combo draws,that are ahead of you.So even though I would puke and absolutly hate it,I would also fold AA in a 45 man sit n go in this kind of situation,because just way to many ways your either beat or get sucked out on by draws and combo draws.

Now if this was a large field MTT and not a sit n go,I call with AA,because you really need to accumulate chips to make a deep run in a large field MTT.

But in this Sit n go AA is a fold here for the reasons me and the other posters say here.

So raise more preflop next time

francois8 · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject:

Raise a little more preflop, I like your flop bet, but once you're reraised, I'd stick the rest in right here. I think this player has any pair 44 through JJ here. Its less likely for him to have 44 and 66, then it is for 55 or 77-JJ. In an MTT, any of these pairs he probably thinnks are good here. 65, 64 are also possible, 57 would be sick.

I don't think you can get away from AA in level 1 or 2 of an MTT since there are so many players who will get in with less.

jdwarriors5 · Two Pair Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 51

This is an extremely tough play that almost every regular tournament player runs into. First of all, like most other players have already discussed a bigger raise preflop is extremely necessary for two main reasons. First of all, you get more chips into the pot preflop with your monster hand and also a bigger raise makes it less likely that players call with marginal hands that can suck out on you (which is most likely exactly what the big blind had). With a bigger preflop raise, I expect mostly everyone else to fold except the big blind and UTG since UTG limped in early position. A player who limps from early position most likely has a somewhat strong hand because they recognize that they could easily be raised by anyone acting after them. Since UTG just calls and doesn't reraise the small raise that you put out, he is definitely not that strong and wants to see a cheap flop. I may also expect the big blind to call such a small raise like that to hopefully get lucky since he already has chips in the pot.

After the flop, it is extremely difficult. I like the bet you put out after both players have checked, but the reraise would really scare me. Based on the way that the big blind just called preflop, it is very hard to put him on a certain range of hands and he can have almost anything. Even though you have a great preflop hand, a check raise that big is very scary since the big blind can have almost anything. It is difficult to put him on a piece of the board since it is three low cards, but it is still very early in the tournament and you have a lot of chips. Most people fall into the trap of overplaying their big preflop hands regardless of how there opponents play post-flop, but in this case (although it is very painful) I would fold the pocket rockets and wait for a better spot to get all your chips in when you are more sure that you have a very better hand. A tournament can not be won in the early stages, but it can definitely be lost. So conserve your chips and wait for a better spot!

Mikah · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject:

CitizenCain · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject:

Sand Wedge_100 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 1934

Your PFR was fine IMO shove it all in here the guy has JJ prob.
If he hit his set then thats just too bad.
And he doesnt have 14k in chips its 4k and he definately isnt guaranteed a cash.

Mikah · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject:

Sand Wedge_100 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 1934

Kinda depends on the defination of a MTT.
IMO its a MTT albiet not a big one.
Yeah he "can" be beat but I doubt it unless like I said the guy hit a set.
Most likey the guy has PP or draw
Also I would think that this is MORE justified in this tourney than a bigger MTT but I dont play many big MTTs soIDK

lovebeefstew · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:41 am Post subject:

How on earth are the stack sizes so big in the first level of a 45man? At 15/30 the stack sizes in OP must be wrong. It's impossible. Well actually no it's not impossible, but to get stack sizes like that, there would need to be already about 10 people out of the tournament, and those 10 only got stacked by 4 individual players. And then all those 4 players got moved to OP's table Confused

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francois8 · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:54 am Post subject:

renegades8 · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject:

Stacks definitely are right, which is what makes this spot more interesting imo.

Yeah obv a bad pfr size, just a mistake I made when multitabling.

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 5117

kennl · Pair Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 37

i raise more pre and i dont fold once the board pairs

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