Online Poker Forum - $3+.40 PS, small pocket pair botched.

marsupial311 · Royal Flush Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 503

I know I played this horribly. Villian is fairly loose preflop but passive postflop. I figured he was on a draw.

PokerStars, $75/150 NO Limit Texas Holdem Tournament, 5 Players
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Board:
dacomed (SB): $3,195
adog007 (BB): $3,100
marsupial311 (UTG): $3,795
roby666 (CO): $2,175
Lannerberg (Button): $1,235

Dealt to marsupial311 6 Heart

6

Pre-flop:
marsupial311 raises to $450, (3 folds), adog007 calls $300

Flop: ($975) K Heart

3

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adog007 bets $150, marsupial311 raises to $750, adog007 calls $600

Turn: ($2,475) 8 Diamond

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adog007 checks, marsupial311 bets $900, adog007 calls $900

River: ($4,275) Q Heart

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adog007 bets $1,000 and is all-in, marsupial311 ???

Rhys Parslow · Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject:

Folds IMO, judging by the way he played the hand, I would have put out the same bet you did on the flop, as a tester bet, see where i stood in the hand, maybe to about 550 not 750 (less risk). Im pretty sure hes either got a hand like K9 which would explain flat calling it down scared of his kicker and he makes that bet on the river because the queen becomes his kicker KK33Q, or he indeed called down with a flush draw and rivered you, nasty but it happens, either way you have been betting into him every street then all of a sudden he comes in with 1k on the river, he must figure you have a hand so would only bet this strong ahead of you and hoping you will call, thinking this through as i write i think he may have rivered the flush and bet 1k (your a little commited to call this) because he has put you on a king all along, im not too sure but im pretty sure you are beat by this river if not before, its a fold IMO

Edit: Maybe he had QK? I really do think your behind though so why put the extra 1k in, keep you stack and make it easier for yourself to win those chips back

Azonicbh · Pair Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Posts: 44

To me , everything is fine until the flop , then you just made what I think is a series of bad plays with a marginal hand.

Your raise preflop is fine as it is a short handed table and your 66 figures to be good in this spot .

The board is actually pretty good for your hand on the flop and I don't mind a raise itself , but I mind the size of the raise.

Here is why :
-Your opponent's weak bet in a big pot could mean several things ... It could mean a weak attempt at a semi bluff on a draw, an a3 suited , a king , or a weak attempt at a bluff.

Like I said , I don't mind the raise itself , but a raise to 500 would have given you the same information that your raise to 750 especially if he is a passive opponent postflop.

Once your raise is called though , you should definitely slow down with this hand as it is a marginal hand and you are in no desperate situation in the tournament itself.

On the turn , there is really no need to make a big bet in position with a marginal hand such as 66. Here are the reasons why

1- He's shown you his willingness to call you on the flop , so he'll unlikely fold on the turn . (especially true for passive opponents that are on a draw). So even if he has a flush draw in this spot , passive opponents will call in this spot. They'll call any king , 3 (obviously) , and any pocket pair higher or lower than yours.

Notice that a bunch of those hands beat you. Even if you have the best hand atm and he has 2 overs and a flush draw , he still has 15 outs to draw you out which would give him approx. 30% chance to win on the river. Keep in mind , that's one of the few hands you beat at this point (the other ones being a lower pocket pair which is unlikely ).

In short , especially since you have position , there is really no need to make a bet in this spot. You should just check and see what the river brings and approach it with caution. Possibly call a small bet (500 chips or less) if the river comes a blank (another 3 , a small none hearth card etc). But as it is , the Queen of hearts makes your hand obsolete. You only have a bluff catcher at this point , and with the agressivness hes shown on the river , YOU ARE BEAT.

In short , try not to play a big pot with a small hand especially when you have position and you can easily control the size of the pot.

Rhys Parslow · Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject:

Heyyyy, thats what i said ^^^^ Shocked

But in greater detail, my exact thoughts on the hand +1 sir

NilesMonkey · Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:29 am Post subject:

I'll expand on Azon's "small pot" comments by suggesting a smaller raise PF. When the blinds are this high, I'm usually raising to 2.5-2.75 BB; I'd make it 385 or so here. It give you more room to maneuver post flop.

Instead of the pot being almost 1k, now the pot is only about 850. Now you can make a smaller raise (~500) without improving your opponents draw odds.

Azonicbh · Pair Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Posts: 44

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:15 am Post subject:

you seriously overplayed this hand. why raise the flop? why bet the turn? now you have to fold the river after committing a lot of chips. you need to use some form of pot control either by flatting the flop or checking the turn. if you had a K I would be happy to get a lot of chips in but with 6-6 you're just not that strong. you don't get enough chips in sng poker to throw them around like this and expect to win consistantly.

lovebeefstew · Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:14 am Post subject:

PF fine, call behind on flop to exercise pot control. No need to get silly with a marginal hand.

fat rugger · Royal Flush Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 789

2.5bb preflop would have been satisfactory but there is nothing really wrong with 3x.

Raising the donk bet on the flop is fine, and I like it. But as stated I would have kept it a bit lower ~550 or so is good. I don't really like flatting unless you are planning on raising the turn. And you usually don't have enough chips to do this.

Min betting can be a sign of strength. But from what I have seen at low and mid level SNG's it is more often a sign of borderline retardation.

After I am called on the flop I am pretty much done putting any serious money in unless I land a six. With the exception of calling another donk bet on the river. I would not bet the turn.

marsupial311 · Royal Flush Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 503

If i'm first to enter the pot I'm always doing 3xBB raises. Doubt if anyone at those low stakes would notice it but I keep that consistent.

I've always had trouble with how to handle raises after someone donks the flop. I do about 4-5x the BB in that situation normally. Giving them a bet around 550 gives them insane odds to chase a draw (400 into a pot around 1600) so I generally try to keep it higher to get them to let it go.

The turn bet was definitely a mistake. At that point I have to either check behind or shove all-in and hope for a fold or a missed flush draw to call without the odds to do so.

Lot of mistakes, I ended it with a fold (obviously) and it crippled my state of mind and I ended up going out in 5th. The hand definitely affected me and I knew I played it incorrectly. Thank you for all your help!

lovebeefstew · Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject:

marsupial311 · Royal Flush Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 503

So how much do you raise at like 150/300 or 200/400? 2.5BB? Min Raise?

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject:

150/300 --> raise to 700

200/400 --> raise to 900

that's how i do it, sometimes less but always a little more than minumum. that way you can open more pots and you c-bets will be smaller.

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