Online Poker Forum - $2 SnG, HU: How Nuts Am I?

NilesMonkey · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: $2 SnG, HU: How Nuts Am I?

Villain seems to be well above the average competency level for a $2 SnG. I hadn't seen how he would handle a 3-bet PF while heads up yet, so I wanted to see his response to that; did not expect a 4-bet.

My thinking on the flop: he is most likely 4-betting me here with a strong ace or mid-PP-ish hand, so the only thing I'm really concerned about here is AT. I think if villain has a high PP, he just flats my 3-bet and lets me hang myself on the flop. Normally, I'd say that this is overthinking my opponent, but this guy definitely had a brain to work with.

How insane am I to shove this flop (or to even call the 4-bet PF, or to even re-raise in the first place)?

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 2 Players
-

Hero (BB): 6,612
SB: 6,888

Pre-Flop: (150) 9 Spade

7

dealt to Hero (BB)
SB raises to 300, Hero raises to 800, SB raises to 2,000, Hero calls 1,200

Flop: (4,000) 9 Heart

T

2

(2 Players)
Hero bets 4,612 and is All-In

cubbies760 · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject:

Snap-fold PF to the 4-bet. If you're stubborn enough to see the flop, I guess you've got no choice but to shove.

Also, how can you put his range for 4-betting at middle PP/Big Ace? Even that his range may be as wide as that, a lot of his range is TT+.

I disagree with the theory that he's not 4-betting PF with TT+.

Danduy · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject:

Hard to tell here, beside the fact that you're insane, nono just kidding, what his hand could have been.

Only things i can say are:

- I would have just called his initial raise and the pot only would be 600 in stead of 3600 with 79s.

- On the other hand i sure like the reraise you made but it got countered and you play out of position the rest of the hand. Next time you got to let go, even with these odds to call. (I think he wanted you to call here and not push you out).

- I can't criticize how you played the hand. For me HU is very complicated and you need to take every detail of your opponent into consideration when you make deccisions.

But you have played it aggressive and that's good. Good luck in the future.

dcdoorknob · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject:

This hand looks vaguely familiar lol. I'll put in my 2 cents anyways. (keep in mind I'm not an expert in HU play, and may not be completely unbiased Very Happy

)

The 3-bet pre is acceptable imo as a variation play.

After that I think you have to have a plan for what to do postflop before making your preflop decision and I'm not at all sure you did. By flatting the 4-bet you are calling off over 20% of your remaining stack and only have slightly more than a pot sized bet behind. Implied odds for a suited one gapper here are obv not a legit reason to continue.

Are you check/folding every flop you miss? That's a horrible plan. Are you shoving in like every flop hit or miss? I prefer that to the above I guess but it ends with you bluffing off your whole stack pretty often completely needlessly.

I just don't see a call here preflop as being good any way you cut it. In extreme circumstances with decent reads I could see a shove instead of a flat, but you need to think the villains 4-bet is full of it a pretty significant amount of the time (and that he's not just playing lotto poker and will fold the weakish but better than 9 high hands to a shove), and given that you weren't even expecting a 4-bet that's probably not the case. Fold pre to the 4 bet.

NilesMonkey · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject:

lurgertor · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:08 am Post subject:

templar rage · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject:

If I read it right, this is the first time you've 3bet pre flop? If so, that probably makes his 4bet that much more legit, since people usually just give the first resteal to you. Also, unless you have reads that he is super tricky, why would you think he flats big pairs preflop. I don't mind the 3bet at all, but you have to dump it to the 4bet.

ScizoRShocK · Flush Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 134

am i the only 1 wanting to know how the hand ended??///what dc was holding?

NilesMonkey · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:07 pm Post subject:

ScizoRShocK · Flush Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 134

TinkyTyler · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject:

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 3957

the flat of the 4bet pre is terribad imo. snapfold.

i like the 3bet.

Online Poker Forum at Full Tilt Poker