Online Poker Forum - 100PL - KKQ2 against limp/raise

HuJwang · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: 100PL - KKQ2 against limp/raise

SB is a NLHE reg who plays like 20/12 there, but has been at this table about 20 hands and is running 50/18. The limp/raiser is 95/42 over 20 hands.

Don't play a lot of PLO, so how should I play this? Backraise shove? Overcall the 3bet? Just fold since it can't hit enough flops? Any argument for just 3betting in the first place?

$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($180.53)
CO ($88.00)
BTN ($214.36)
SB ($139.28)
Hero (BB) ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BB K Club

Q

K

2

UTG calls $1, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, Hero calls $4, UTG raises to $21, CO folds, SB calls $16, Hero...?

dodge these · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:29 am Post subject:

I don't think 3 betting woudl have been a good option, nor is just calling here. SB is a bit loose and passive, so if you 3 bet pre you get called same as utg did, and you are flipping at best since he was the initial raiser, and even with position things can get quite tricky unless you know he plays things fairly straightforward from your past experiance. Now as far as folding or shoving... it really all comes down to what you think the villain would limp raise to a fifth of his stack. He is obv a maniac, but has he done this before in your 20 hands (if so it is prob best to push) or is this the first time, in which case you may simply want to give him credit for waking up with a monster and fold, letting the hand play out and getting a bit more info on both, as you do only have a marginal hand after all. As far as initial raiser goes it is fairly certain he doesn't have you beat so whether he folds or calls is largely irrelevant. If he calls it obviously decreases your euity and he may even be favored with a wrap hand if other villain does indeed also have high cards, but your decrease in equity is compensated by the new $ in the pot, so its really not so much an islation reraises, as that you can possibly take it down right now, nad unless you put utg on AAxx you also have teh best equity when getting teh money in and avoid tryicky post flop spots. But this is why it is important to be properly rolled because you could easily make the correct call here and lose 8/9 times while only being up against a better hand once.

bottlecapthief · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject:

Like Dodge said, I think it is somwhat important to know if he had limp raised like this previously. I would imagine at 95/42, he is not taking that line as much, which would lead me to believe he has AAxx here. I think he has AAxx >60%, middle to high rundown cards about 25% here, and smaller pairs about 15%.

I would probably end up folding because it isn't hitting enough flops and you will often find yourself in a bad flop spot.

GoldenDomer9 · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject:

I just muck this. I think you are behind here a fair amount of time, but even when you are ahead it's probably slightly. Since our fold equity is nominal imo, I don't see this is a great spot to play a big pot vs. UTG's range here, let alone if the SB decides to come along for whatever reason.

edgarallanpwn · Full House Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 195

This is probably a fold, although you can make the argument for a call since you will have effective position postflop. A hand like KKQTds would obviously be preferable, but with kings this weak it I just let the hand go.

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