Online Poker Forum - you said Just Jacks!!!

yonilla-sky · Pair Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 21

I apologize in advance for the bad beat post, I just have to vent somewhere.

It has to be the worst bad beat I ever personally witnessed. Worse than the one in Rounders. 30 minutes later I'm still having a hard time recovering from it... the stakes are almost nothing, and it's obvious that hand was an automatic loss. I was still devastated by it. I got knocked out of the tournament; a win in that hand and I could fold the rest of the hands to win first 250 places easily.

briefly, I was holding TT, board came out 4429T. Betting was moderate and I was finding myself quite invested with a half decent hand. Then I get my miracle card landed on the river, I was elated. Easy shove there... only to get nailed by the other guy's quad 4's.

hghlndr6 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 2860

[x] Raise pre
[x] You were behind all the way post-flop
[ ] Bad Beat

yonilla-sky · Pair Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 21

reraising on his 3x BB preflop would amount to an all-in. That's basically playing the lottery vs anything they could have - like two overcards for instance. Isn't that kind of stupid way to get kicked out of the tourney on the bubble? look at the amount of chips each of the players had.

The reason this is a bad beat is because there were exactly 2 cards in the deck that could have made me get stacked off vs his quads.

HuJwang · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject:

pre is a really easy shove. you have only 15BB, your TT is most likely the best hand, and there is a ton of dead money in the pot. it's possible you're flipping against two overcards but you could very easily be facing a lower pair or Ax hand you have dominated, and there's also some chance they're folding. you're not "playing the lottery", you're making a highly profitable shove. you have to make gambles like this in tournaments, otherwise you will just get eaten up by the blinds.

DannehBoi · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:37 pm Post subject:

You gotta shove pre..this is a freeroll, you'll get called with all kinds of nonsense. Plus you MIGHT have, just MIGHT have, gotten villain off pocket 4's.

Not to mention you were short stacked with 12-13 big blinds left

WhatASurprise · Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:02 am Post subject:

DannehBoi · Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:46 am Post subject:

WhatASurprise · Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:35 am Post subject:

<------[x] leveled

DannehBoi · Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:30 am Post subject:

Sorry for being a noob but what does level mean? =/

DforDissent · Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:20 am Post subject:

yonilla-sky · Pair Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 21

Thanks for all the comments. I think some of the subtleties of the situation were not explained enough. This MTT I was sitting in the same table for almost an hour, I was ranked about #265 out of 360 (tourney started with 10K players), first 250 places got entry to another tourney. didnt matter if you were #1 or #250.

The guys involved were playing solid poker, no one was trying to win any more than first 250 places. At least one having JJ+ or AJ+ was highly probable from my perspective, maybe I should have folded, but I was short stack, there was a lot of dead money, and I figured this was probably going to be my best chance to get back to a "safe" chip count. After the flop I figured they aren't likely to have overpair so I just went ahead and bet just hoping nobody had the set of 4s (a reasonable assumption given the action pre).

HuJwang · Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject:

ok, well it being a satellite does change things. however, you are still quite short on chips. with 110 bustouts still to go, you don't have enough chips to coast quietly into the money. you need to gamble at some point. you don't have enough chips to wait for a better opportunity than this. there is so much dead money in the pot that you will almost double your stack if they fold, and you'll nearly triple up if just one person calls and your hand holds up.

YDWard · Banned Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 190

That hardly qualifies as bad beat since you were behind after the flop- bad. However, I would warn people about the miracle river set/straight/flush in a non-allin hand- I find it is often an action generating card, and I try not to get too overcommitted on them any longer. Just today, I have lost with two river flushes and two sets I caught only to find out I was losing to better flushes and an overset.

A bad beat would be flopping the tens and losing to a river quad fours. Had that happen to me yesterday, and saw it on two other occassions. Just part of the price you pay to play online poker. Walk carefully.

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 5120

fold pre.

yonilla-sky · Pair Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 21

I'm intrigued. what is your argument for folding pre?

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