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bigpairde
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 Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Stud hand review MBJ Horse season4 |
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Hi there,
I am such a stud n00b and would like to get your perspective here,....what should I have done differently, when and why:
1. hand is stud hi, 2. is stud hi/lo
did I play terribly or did I just get unlucky?
any constructive feedback is highly appreciated!
Full Tilt Poker Game #9342854636: MBJ HORSE Season 4 (70740523), Table 1 - 60/120 Ante 10 - Limit Stud Hi - 21:39:29 ET - 2008/12/05
Seat 1: kyblue007 (825)
Seat 2: bigpairde (1,745)
Seat 4: Tiera Starr (1,400)
Seat 6: BBCOACH44 (1,475)
Seat 7: tjs545 (2,475)
Seat 8: fefimo (1,080)
kyblue007 antes 10
bigpairde antes 10
Tiera Starr antes 10
BBCOACH44 antes 10
tjs545 antes 10
fefimo antes 10
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to kyblue007 [2s]
Dealt to bigpairde [Ks 9h] [Kc]
Dealt to Tiera Starr [Js]
Dealt to BBCOACH44 [Qd]
Dealt to tjs545 [Jh]
Dealt to fefimo [Td]
kyblue007 is low with [2s]
kyblue007 brings in for 20
bigpairde calls 20
Tiera Starr folds
BBCOACH44 folds
tjs545 folds
fefimo calls 20
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to kyblue007 [2s] [7s]
Dealt to bigpairde [Ks 9h Kc] [4s]
Dealt to fefimo [Td] [3s]
bigpairde bets 60
fefimo calls 60
kyblue007 folds
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to bigpairde [Ks 9h Kc 4s] [Ah]
Dealt to fefimo [Td 3s] [Jd]
bigpairde bets 120
fefimo raises to 240
bigpairde has 15 seconds left to act
bigpairde calls 120
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to bigpairde [Ks 9h Kc 4s Ah] [3h]
Dealt to fefimo [Td 3s Jd] [5c]
bigpairde checks
fefimo bets 120
bigpairde has 15 seconds left to act
bigpairde calls 120
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to bigpairde [Ks 9h Kc 4s Ah 3h] [6d]
bigpairde checks
fefimo bets 120
bigpairde calls 120
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fefimo shows [Qh Jc Td 3s Jd 5c Tc] two pair, Jacks and Tens
bigpairde mucks
fefimo wins the pot (1,200) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: kyblue007 folded on 4th St.
Seat 2: bigpairde mucked [Ks 9h Kc 4s Ah 3h 6d] - a pair of Kings
Seat 4: Tiera Starr folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: BBCOACH44 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: tjs545 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: fefimo showed [Qh Jc Td 3s Jd 5c Tc] and won (1,200) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Full Tilt Poker Game #9342990447: MBJ HORSE Season 4 (70740523), Table 1 - 80/160 Ante 15 - Limit Stud H/L - 21:48:10 ET - 2008/12/05
Seat 1: kyblue007 (658)
Seat 2: bigpairde (1,095)
Seat 4: Tiera Starr (1,727)
Seat 6: BBCOACH44 (1,595)
Seat 7: tjs545 (2,890)
Seat 8: fefimo (1,035)
kyblue007 antes 15
bigpairde antes 15
Tiera Starr antes 15
BBCOACH44 antes 15
tjs545 antes 15
fefimo antes 15
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to kyblue007 [2s]
Dealt to bigpairde [7d 3d] [Qd]
Dealt to Tiera Starr [7c]
Dealt to BBCOACH44 [Jc]
Dealt to tjs545 [Tc]
Dealt to fefimo [4s]
kyblue007 is low with [2s]
kyblue007 brings in for 25
bigpairde calls 25
Tiera Starr has 15 seconds left to act
Tiera Starr folds
BBCOACH44 folds
tjs545 folds
fefimo calls 25
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to kyblue007 [2s] [2d]
Dealt to bigpairde [7d 3d Qd] [9h]
Dealt to fefimo [4s] [3s]
kyblue007 checks
bigpairde checks
fefimo checks
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to kyblue007 [2s 2d] [9c]
Dealt to bigpairde [7d 3d Qd 9h] [6d]
Dealt to fefimo [4s 3s] [Ad]
kyblue007 bets 160
bigpairde calls 160
fefimo folds
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to kyblue007 [2s 2d 9c] [Td]
Dealt to bigpairde [7d 3d Qd 9h 6d] [Qs]
bigpairde bets 160
kyblue007 calls 160
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to bigpairde [7d 3d Qd 9h 6d Qs] [5h]
bigpairde bets 160
kyblue007 calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigpairde shows [7d 5h Qd 9h 6d Qs 3d] a pair of Queens, for high
kyblue007 shows [Ah 7h 2s 2d 9c Td 2c] three of a kind, Twos, for high
kyblue007 wins the pot (1,125) with three of a kind, Twos
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,125 | Rake 0
Seat 1: kyblue007 showed [Ah 7h 2s 2d 9c Td 2c] and won (1,125) with HI: three of a kind, Twos
Seat 2: bigpairde showed [7d 5h Qd 9h 6d Qs 3d] and lost with HI: a pair of Queens
Seat 4: Tiera Starr folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: BBCOACH44 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: tjs545 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: fefimo folded on 5th St. |
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quick98ta
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Stud hi hand Raise on 3rd street. It will make it a little easyer to put him on 2 pair or a set when he rasies on 5th it was a tough break though.
Stud H/L Fold 3rd Its a mediocre high hand and a poor low hand scooping the pot is the idea stick to very strong high hands and hands with solid 2 way potental. |
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bigpairde
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| tyvm quick |
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tracysanders
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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I suck at stud too, but I would raise third and fold fifth on the first hand.
Hand 2 I would've played the same except I would c/c 7th |
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fefimo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry bigpairde but i dunno what I'm doing on any of the horse games. First hand i was just trying to push you out and got lucky on 7th.
2nd hand as it was being played I actually thought kyblue had small 2pr already. Turns out 7th just burned you again.  |
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bigpairde
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Sorry bigpairde but i dunno what I'm doing on any of the horse games. First hand i was just trying to push you out and got lucky on 7th.
2nd hand as it was being played I actually thought kyblue had small 2pr already. Turns out 7th just burned you again. |
haha,
 no worries,....
..I will try to get chips from you next game  |
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Strasse
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Hand 1: Complete 3rd. 3bet 5th. Bet 6th. Check 7th. Whoever said to fold 5th needs to never give stud advice again IMO.
Hand 2: Calling 3rd is fine. Fold 5th. You don't have the pot odds to continue, especially with fefimo behind you looking like he's got a fine looking low. |
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bigpairde
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Hand 1: Complete 3rd. 3bet 5th. Bet 6th. Check 7th. Whoever said to fold 5th needs to never give stud advice again IMO.
Hand 2: Calling 3rd is fine. Fold 5th. You don't have the pot odds to continue, especially with fefimo behind you looking like he's got a fine looking low. |
thanks a million!
regarding the second hand: so I generally shouldn't stay in a hand with a flush draw on 5th with 1 card missing to the flush? |
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tracysanders
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Hand 1: Complete 3rd. 3bet 5th. Bet 6th. Check 7th. Whoever said to fold 5th needs to never give stud advice again IMO.
Hand 2: Calling 3rd is fine. Fold 5th. You don't have the pot odds to continue, especially with fefimo behind you looking like he's got a fine looking low. |
UMMM thanx Strsse- now I'll explain why I said fold on fifth, and if you wouldn't mind to explain where the err in my resoning is I would appreciate it.
BPD raised 4th with K4 showing, to me this is a petty clear sign that she has a king down. When 5th came BPD bricked, bet out and was reraised. To me this says that fefimo can beat her kings on 5th, when he couldn't on 4th.
Are you saying she should use the ace as a scare card and try to get fefimo to fold or to play from behind because more than likely if she pairs another card she will have the higher hand?
Not trying to question your skills because they kill my stud skills obv. Just trying to understand. |
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fefimo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Prolly because 2 jacks were folded on 3rd so at best i had 2 pr and a raise from bigpairde would have gotten me to fold.
Or if it looked like I was raising a drawing hand then make me pay for it. I'm guessing here and am looking forward to the why as well from a stud player. |
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tracysanders
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| did you have the 2 pai on 5th? |
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fefimo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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fefimo shows [Qh Jc Td 3s Jd 5c Tc] two pair, Jacks and Tens
No I sucked out on 7th. |
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quick98ta
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| bigpairde wrote: |
| Strasse wrote: |
Hand 1: Complete 3rd. 3bet 5th. Bet 6th. Check 7th. Whoever said to fold 5th needs to never give stud advice again IMO.
Hand 2: Calling 3rd is fine. Fold 5th. You don't have the pot odds to continue, especially with fefimo behind you looking like he's got a fine looking low. |
thanks a million!
regarding the second hand: so I generally shouldn't stay in a hand with a flush draw on 5th with 1 card missing to the flush? |
Yeah you need a really big pot since your likley drawing to only half the pot you would need a pot twice the size you would in stud high. Thats why i say just fold it on 3rd to avoid the temptation to chase. |
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Strasse
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| Strasse wrote: |
Hand 1: Complete 3rd. 3bet 5th. Bet 6th. Check 7th. Whoever said to fold 5th needs to never give stud advice again IMO.
Hand 2: Calling 3rd is fine. Fold 5th. You don't have the pot odds to continue, especially with fefimo behind you looking like he's got a fine looking low. |
thanks a million!
regarding the second hand: so I generally shouldn't stay in a hand with a flush draw on 5th with 1 card missing to the flush? |
No, not always. It's just that nobody has put any money into the pot. The bet on 5th is about a pot sized bet, and you are likely drawing at only half the pot. With a bigger pot it would be ok to continue. |
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Strasse
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| Strasse wrote: |
Hand 1: Complete 3rd. 3bet 5th. Bet 6th. Check 7th. Whoever said to fold 5th needs to never give stud advice again IMO.
Hand 2: Calling 3rd is fine. Fold 5th. You don't have the pot odds to continue, especially with fefimo behind you looking like he's got a fine looking low. |
UMMM thanx Strsse- now I'll explain why I said fold on fifth, and if you wouldn't mind to explain where the err in my resoning is I would appreciate it.
BPD raised 4th with K4 showing, to me this is a petty clear sign that she has a king down. When 5th came BPD bricked, bet out and was reraised. To me this says that fefimo can beat her kings on 5th, when he couldn't on 4th.
Are you saying she should use the ace as a scare card and try to get fefimo to fold or to play from behind because more than likely if she pairs another card she will have the higher hand?
Not trying to question your skills because they kill my stud skills obv. Just trying to understand. |
big pair did not raise 4th. She bet out. That means very little because she didn't complete 3rd. A ton of people bet out 4th street after limping simply because they are first to act w/ the high board and they are a drooler. Fefimo didn't have to, nor should he, give her credit for a pair of kings here. Had she raised 3rd, it might have been different. However, she didn't.
Plus, two jacks are gone on 3rd, so fef can't have trip jacks. At best, he has two pair, or a very very very very outside chance he slowplayed rolled tens, but I don't see that. Anyways, best he has is two pair, which big pair still has a ton of equity against. Even the two pair is rare, since he raised after catching a jack, 2 of which were already dead. It seems to me that he is raising a flush draw since he started w/ a diamond and raised after catching another. He could also have a straight draw, since he now has JT showing. A pair is also possible and he is just getting feisty trying to push her off high cards that could catch against him, since he's not giving her credit for a hand. 3betting on 5th is getting all the trash hands to hopefully go away, such as a single pair, possibly even 2 pair, but unlikely. The draws will stick around, but she is a favorite against them, so the raise is still good. |
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