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Danduy
Four of a Kind
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
Posts: 284
Location: Tessenderlo (Belgium)
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In a 10+1$ tournament with 2000 players they rake up a nice 2000$ for a few hours.
WTF do they care who wins the tournament? And that's in MTT, STT and cash games. They rake up your money and provide you with a game that must be better then the competition.
And don't forget... If an idiot calls your AK preflop raise with Q4. HE does the call, not Full Tilt. And why would they let them hit his two pair on purpose? Or for what specific reason would they come up with the micarcle river card? For to deposit more. If you you win, they have to deposit and visa versa.
All this crap about rigging is getting nowhere. You get sucked out, boohoo, i get frustrated too sometimes when things don't work my way. At home it's the same, but you can change faster to another pokerroom then chance to another girlfriend.
But their all the same, collect rake, provide you with the best possible way to play poker. And i must say that they do provide me with a nice, proper, fast and goodlooking pokerplay. |
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SlashProduction
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Joined: 30 Sep 2009
Posts: 6
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| Danday i couldnt agree more and i hear you people cryin about suckout for 20-30 dollars i mean how low are you if you can take losing dont play poker |
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tracysanders
I EAT MTTs
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
Posts: 8569
Location: ANOTHER FUQQUIN MINCASH
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my contribution to this thread comes from table chat
tracysanders: guess 60% to win isn't enough to win on this rigged site
Big Bubba 281: site not rigged
tracysanders: ORLLY?
tracysanders: how can you say its not rigged
Big Bubba 281: it's not, why would you stick around if you think so?
tracysanders: UMM cuz I win lottsa moniez LDO |
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ymfb
High Card
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: Help Federal regulations push forward |
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Everyone can help push forward Federal regulation that will regulate online gaming. Rigged sites like FTP and others aren't subject to federal regulation and make it impossible for players to experience fair gaming. Sites like FTP use action enhancing algorythms and can control the hit ratio of a player based on criterias that are calculated by special programs each time a player finishes a hand. We use this weapon against players that accuse fulltilt of riging the games as to "persuade" them into quiting the site. I know this because I was fired from full tilt when I expressed discontent with the direction of FTP into more and more "controlled" gaming.
If you are a true poker player and love the sport as much as I do, help us push forward regulation that will allow a US based and regulated poker room.
Fulltilt must be stopped from cheating it's players |
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THEPOKERCAT200
Banned
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Help Federal regulations push forward |
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| Sites like FTP use action enhancing algorythms and can control the hit ratio of a player based on criterias that are calculated by special programs each time a player finishes a hand. We use this weapon against players that accuse fulltilt of riging the games as to "persuade" them into quiting the site. I know this because I was fired from full tilt when I expressed discontent with the direction of FTP into more and more "controlled" gaming. |
omg its like nazi germany |
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fletch_smf
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 4486
Location: Brisneyland
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Help Federal regulations push forward |
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| ymfb wrote: |
| Everyone can help push forward Federal regulation that will regulate online gaming. Rigged sites like FTP and others aren't subject to federal regulation and make it impossible for players to experience fair gaming. |
You don't say.
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| Sites like FTP use action enhancing algorythms and can control the hit ratio of a player based on criterias that are calculated by special programs each time a player finishes a hand. |
And why are they doing this?
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| We use this weapon against players that accuse fulltilt of riging the games as to "persuade" them into quiting the site. |
So, they troll this forum and look for the naysayers, and then target them to lose more? Wouldn't it make more sense to make then win more so they stop complaining and drawing attention to it? And usually they're complaining it's rigged because they're already losing, so are they targeted first because they think they're going to be complainers, or does it just come down to the fact that THEY SUCK AT POKER AND COULD NEVER WIN AT THIS GAME IF THEY TRIED AND ARE JUST LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO BLAME FOR THEIR OWN INEPTITUDE!!!!!!!!
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| I know this because I was fired from full tilt when I expressed discontent with the direction of FTP into more and more "controlled" gaming. |
Sure you did. You got some evidence of this programming, or that you were ever a Full Tilt employee? And importantly, can you explain how they can rig the cards without it showing up in a statistical analysis of the hands a player plays?
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| If you are a true poker player and love the sport |
Don't refer to a card game as a sport.
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| as much as I do, help us push forward regulation that will allow a US based and regulated poker room. |
This is actually a good idea. Not because a particular online poker site is rigged OR that this would stop it if it was OR that it will make any rigged theorist feel better about losing at poker, but because it will open the game up to the masses of U.S. players again.
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| Fulltilt must be stopped from cheating it's players |
And where did you put that evidence that they are cheating? |
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Big Slick x13x
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Joined: 18 Jun 2006
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PROOF IT'S RIGGED. LOOK AT THIS BS, ONLY ON FT!!!!!!!!1111!!
Full Tilt Poker Game #16308986675: Tier One $8+$0.70 (120430377), Table 2 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:11:26 ET - 2009/11/25
Seat 2: hoodzumfk (1,010)
Seat 3: KC Chuck (1,245)
Seat 4: Big Slick x13x (1,450)
Seat 5: TheKinGDonalD (2,270)
Seat 6: JBpimpin420 (1,510)
Seat 7: DOINWORK8 (1,575)
Seat 8: MGOblue0001 (1,855)
Seat 9: MadSwan (1,305)
hoodzumfk posts the small blind of 25
KC Chuck posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Big Slick x13x [Tc 4c]
Big Slick x13x folds
TheKinGDonalD folds
JBpimpin420 folds
DOINWORK8 folds
MGOblue0001 folds
MadSwan folds
hoodzumfk raises to 1,010, and is all in
KC Chuck calls 960
hoodzumfk shows [9s 9d]
KC Chuck shows [9h 8h]
*** FLOP *** [Jh 3h Kh]
*** TURN *** [Jh 3h Kh] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 3h Kh Jd] [Jc]
hoodzumfk shows a full house, Jacks full of Nines
KC Chuck shows a flush, King high
hoodzumfk wins the pot (2,020) with a full house, Jacks full of Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,020 | Rake 0
Board: [Jh 3h Kh Jd Jc]
Seat 2: hoodzumfk (small blind) showed [9s 9d] and won (2,020) with a full house, Jacks full of Nines
Seat 3: KC Chuck (big blind) showed [9h 8h] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 4: Big Slick x13x didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: TheKinGDonalD didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: JBpimpin420 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: DOINWORK8 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: MGOblue0001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: MadSwan (button) didn't bet (folded) |
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xpokerchic
High Card
Joined: 15 May 2008
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| If it is rigged, they should let me win once in a while. X |
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Sub-Zer0118
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Joined: 22 Aug 2009
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| If it is rigged, they should let me win once in a while. X |
+500
ditto. |
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orangegoop
High Card
Joined: 29 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: FTP is rigged for bad play |
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| AlCario was bluffing like mad the previous hand with A4 off. I called him on the river with two over cards on board and won the pot with sevens. Next hand he raised pre flop. I re-raised with QQ and he popped it. I called all-in to see that he was playing A9 off. Flop blanks for both of us. Turn comes a 9. River, of course, comes an Ace. Bad play is always rewarded on this site. I know suck outs happen, I saw Joe Cada suck out big time, but give me a break FTP. Why do these donkeys catch the way they do? Is it to keep them playing because you know you will end up with more rake from these idiots? Solid, patient play apparently is overrated on this sight. I guess picking two random cards and playing them until the end is better than waiting for premium hands. Thank you random number generator for helping out the donks of the world. |
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fletch_smf
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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Location: Brisneyland
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: Re: FTP is rigged for bad play |
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| orangegoop wrote: |
| AlCario was bluffing like mad the previous hand with A4 off. I called him on the river with two over cards on board and won the pot with sevens. Next hand he raised pre flop. I re-raised with QQ and he popped it. I called all-in to see that he was playing A9 off. Flop blanks for both of us. Turn comes a 9. River, of course, comes an Ace. |
OMG you lost a 70/30? You're right that should never happen on a legitimate site. Thanks for finally providing us with the proof we have been seeking.
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| Bad play is always rewarded on this site. |
Depending on stack sizes of course, I really don't think the A9 hand above was played that bad.
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| I know suck outs happen, I saw Joe Cada suck out big time, but give me a break FTP. |
And the A9 hand doesn't really qualify as a suck out, either. All the money was in pre. He wins it nearly a third of the time. This happened to be one of them.
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| Why do these donkeys catch the way they do? |
As above, his play doesn't seem that bad. He bluffed a River with Ace high and you made the hero call (You looking for an "attaboy"?)
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| Is it to keep them playing because you know you will end up with more rake from these idiots? |
Popular theory. But if that's the case they'd be winning A9 v QQ more than 30% of the time. You got some evidence that is the case?
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| Solid, patient play apparently is overrated on this sight. |
Why is it all the rigged theorists think they are solid and patient? Seriously, what is your VPIP/PFR? Just to show how solid/patient you are?
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| I guess picking two random cards and playing them until the end is better than waiting for premium hands. |
No. It's really not. You got some evidence that says playing garbage is more profitable than playing premium hands? Like to see those stats?
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| Thank you random number generator for helping out the donks of the world. |
I will agree with this. If the donks didn't hit now and again, they would soon give up the game. I'm not saying it's skewed in anyway, but as long as they keep making their 30% hands, 30% of the time, they will keep playing.
Also, welcome to the forums. Good luck at the tables. |
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KITTYNCHRIS
High Card
Joined: 30 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: Random Cards |
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| I dont believe for one second that full tilt cards are random. Every single night in every tourney 3 to 4 people at the same table get pocket pairs. Thats not realistic. I bet you they will never get another nickel of my money! |
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tiltslowplayer
Four of a Kind
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Are you saying that they get pocket pairs AT THE SAME TIME. Unusual, yes, but not impossible.
What's not realistic is how guys plays flush draws on FT like it is a made hand. That's not realistic (unless, of course, it is against me today in which case it is a guarantee that they will make their flush).
But back to your concern, what advantage is it to FT to risk their reputation by deliberately dealing out pocket pairs to "3 to 4" players at a table? If you don't have an answer then you really should not have a concern. |
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hghlndr6
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Random Cards |
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| KITTYNCHRIS wrote: |
| I dont believe for one second that full tilt cards are random. Every single night in every tourney 3 to 4 people at the same table get pocket pairs. Thats not realistic. I bet you they will never get another nickel of my money! |
Doesn't happen. |
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fletch_smf
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Random Cards |
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| hghlndr6 wrote: |
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| I dont believe for one second that full tilt cards are random. Every single night in every tourney 3 to 4 people at the same table get pocket pairs. Thats not realistic. I bet you they will never get another nickel of my money! |
Doesn't happen. |
That obviously. Not to mention that when one person gets dealt a PP the chances go up for another person to get one. When 2 people are dealt a PP then chances go up again that someone else will be dealt them. |
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