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23slim
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 Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: is it possible to win at online poker with the BEST hand ? |
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i've found it impossible to win with the BEST hand at online poker. This is NOT a small sample, this is over 2 years and 200,000 hands of online poker at FTP and Bodog. I've tried for 3 years to win with BEST hand FLP or TRN, and i lost $ 3,000. The last 3 months, i've tried to win with WORST hand FLP or TRN, and i've won $ 4,000.
So - i've finally changed my strategy. If - i have BEST hand flop or turn, i fold immediately. If - i have worst hand flop or turn, i shove all in. I come out with best hand, in inverse relationship to the odds. If - i'm a 20 pct dog with under pair vs over pair, i win 80 pct of the time. If i'm a 30 pct dog because i'm dominated due to a common card, i win 70 pct of the time.
if i have pocket aces pre-flop (the worst thing to see at FTP), i immediately fold, walk the dog, drink a beer, and then - sit back down. (i've learned my lesson playing pocket A's - - i'm NOT doing that any more).
so - do those with a lot of online experince (2 years or more, 200,000 hands or more) agree ? is the only way to win at online poker - is by playing only your WORST hands - - and folding your BEST hands ? ?
i've found it's the only way to win at FTP |
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fletch_smf
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Location: Brisneyland
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:44 am Post subject: Re: is it possible to win at online poker with the BEST hand ? |
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| 23slim wrote: |
| i've found it impossible to win with the BEST hand at online poker. |
You're doing it wrong.
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official Hand Converter
UTG: $25.00
MP: $32.50
CO: $34.85
BTN: $39.20
SB: $26.05
Hero (BB): $25.00
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A A
3 folds, BTN raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN calls $3.25
Flop: ($9.10) 5 4 J (2 players)
Hero bets $6.75, BTN calls $6.75
Turn: ($22.60) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.75 all in, BTN calls $13.75
River: ($50.10) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $50.10
BTN shows T T (a pair of Tens)
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $47.65
(Rake: $2.45)
Party Poker $25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official Hand Converter
CO: $19.64
BTN: $12.35
SB: $28.58
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $37.92
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with K K
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.25) K 8 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.91, SB raises to $9.82, Hero raises to $21.50 all in, SB calls $11.68
Turn: ($50.25) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($50.25) A (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $50.25
SB shows 8 8 (three of a kind, Eights)
Hero shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
Hero wins $48.25
(Rake: $2.00)
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official Hand Converter
SB: $100.75
BB: $26.45
Hero (UTG): $49.85
MP: $25.00
CO: $8.15
BTN: $60.00
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BTN calls $1, 2 folds
Flop: ($2.35) 3 9 J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, BTN calls $2.25
Turn: ($6.85) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN raises to $23, Hero raises to $46.60 all in, BTN calls $23.60
River: ($100.05) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $100.05
Hero shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
BTN shows 2 2 (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
Hero wins $97.05
(Rake: $3.00) |
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WhatASurprise
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Joined: 25 Jul 2008
Posts: 2071
Location: You come at the king, you best not miss.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| It's just because you suck. |
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DannehBoi
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Joined: 26 Jan 2009
Posts: 578
Location: Min-cash city
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lmfao
this is one of the funniest rigged posts I've ever seen |
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zamkin
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Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The best hand wins when your opponent folds. |
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nilgiri
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Location: Massachusetts
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: is it possible to win at online poker with the BEST hand ? |
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| 23slim wrote: |
i've found it impossible to win with the BEST hand at online poker. This is NOT a small sample, this is over 2 years and 200,000 hands of online poker at FTP and Bodog. I've tried for 3 years to win with BEST hand FLP or TRN, and i lost $ 3,000. The last 3 months, i've tried to win with WORST hand FLP or TRN, and i've won $ 4,000.
So - i've finally changed my strategy. If - i have BEST hand flop or turn, i fold immediately. If - i have worst hand flop or turn, i shove all in. I come out with best hand, in inverse relationship to the odds. If - i'm a 20 pct dog with under pair vs over pair, i win 80 pct of the time. If i'm a 30 pct dog because i'm dominated due to a common card, i win 70 pct of the time.
if i have pocket aces pre-flop (the worst thing to see at FTP), i immediately fold, walk the dog, drink a beer, and then - sit back down. (i've learned my lesson playing pocket A's - - i'm NOT doing that any more).
so - do those with a lot of online experince (2 years or more, 200,000 hands or more) agree ? is the only way to win at online poker - is by playing only your WORST hands - - and folding your BEST hands ? ?
i've found it's the only way to win at FTP |
This is extremely good advice, and no reg will admit it, but it's all true. I encourage everyone to play like this if you want to win in the long run, especially at 1/2 nl and 2/4 nl 6max games on Poker Stars when you are sitting at a table with nilgiri. |
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bleffo19
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Joined: 30 Apr 2009
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Location: SYD, Australia
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: is it possible to win at online poker with the BEST hand ? |
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| 23slim wrote: |
i've found it impossible to win with the BEST hand at online poker. This is NOT a small sample, this is over 2 years and 200,000 hands of online poker at FTP and Bodog. I've tried for 3 years to win with BEST hand FLP or TRN, and i lost $ 3,000. The last 3 months, i've tried to win with WORST hand FLP or TRN, and i've won $ 4,000.
So - i've finally changed my strategy. If - i have BEST hand flop or turn, i fold immediately. If - i have worst hand flop or turn, i shove all in. I come out with best hand, in inverse relationship to the odds. If - i'm a 20 pct dog with under pair vs over pair, i win 80 pct of the time. If i'm a 30 pct dog because i'm dominated due to a common card, i win 70 pct of the time.
if i have pocket aces pre-flop (the worst thing to see at FTP), i immediately fold, walk the dog, drink a beer, and then - sit back down. (i've learned my lesson playing pocket A's - - i'm NOT doing that any more).
so - do those with a lot of online experince (2 years or more, 200,000 hands or more) agree ? is the only way to win at online poker - is by playing only your WORST hands - - and folding your BEST hands ? ?
i've found it's the only way to win at FTP |
intelligent well-thought out post ITT
seriously though - you're right. FTP operates in some kind of parallel universe where the rules of poker have been inverted and nothing is as it seems.....
AA is now the worst starting hand, and 2-7o is the new nuts.
oh and ps - hope to see you at the tables |
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muzmund
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Hang on.....
I thought the best hand always wins, thats why its called the best hand  |
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marsupial311
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| muzmund wrote: |
Hang on.....
I thought the best hand always wins, thats why its called the best hand |
You'll never win with that attitude. |
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undeadbrennan
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Joined: 27 Sep 2007
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Location: sleaze 69 island, missouri
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| if you figured it out why are you crying |
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lurgertor
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Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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Location: Riskville
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| undeadbrennan wrote: |
| if you figured it out why are you crying |
He's trying to help out us ignorant forumers to play poker successfully. It doesn't matter that I happen to have a ROI of 107% over a 380 sample of MTTs and won almost $1500 online, because I always try to have the best hand going in. Either I am so bad that I consistently have the worst hand or I am on one of the biggest heaters ever experienced by a poker player. Hmmm... |
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bleffo19
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| lurgertor wrote: |
| undeadbrennan wrote: |
| if you figured it out why are you crying |
He's trying to help out us ignorant forumers to play poker successfully. It doesn't matter that I happen to have a ROI of 107% over a 380 sample of MTTs and won almost $1500 online, because I always try to have the best hand going in. Either I am so bad that I consistently have the worst hand or I am on one of the biggest heaters ever experienced by a poker player. Hmmm... |
LOLheater imo |
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ironcityg
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| bleffo19 wrote: |
| lurgertor wrote: |
| undeadbrennan wrote: |
| if you figured it out why are you crying |
He's trying to help out us ignorant forumers to play poker successfully. It doesn't matter that I happen to have a ROI of 107% over a 380 sample of MTTs and won almost $1500 online, because I always try to have the best hand going in. Either I am so bad that I consistently have the worst hand or I am on one of the biggest heaters ever experienced by a poker player. Hmmm... |
LOLheater imo |
want to help ME out with strategy,so I can win $2,200 so I can buy my first new Imac ?
I think some of his post is valid. I've been dealt pocket aces or queens only to see 3 7s come up on the flop and some guy has 4 7s with the flop or even worse, get dealt queens and the flop comes up all hearts and the guy across from me has a heart flush
there are times I wonder just how some of these people get hands dealt to them and manage to beat me with them |
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lurgertor
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Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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Location: Riskville
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ironcityg wrote: |
| bleffo19 wrote: |
| lurgertor wrote: |
| undeadbrennan wrote: |
| if you figured it out why are you crying |
He's trying to help out us ignorant forumers to play poker successfully. It doesn't matter that I happen to have a ROI of 107% over a 380 sample of MTTs and won almost $1500 online, because I always try to have the best hand going in. Either I am so bad that I consistently have the worst hand or I am on one of the biggest heaters ever experienced by a poker player. Hmmm... |
LOLheater imo |
want to help ME out with strategy,so I can win $2,200 so I can buy my first new Imac ?
I think some of his post is valid. I've been dealt pocket aces or queens only to see 3 7s come up on the flop and some guy has 4 7s with the flop or even worse, get dealt queens and the flop comes up all hearts and the guy across from me has a heart flush
there are times I wonder just how some of these people get hands dealt to them and manage to beat me with them |
Well my friend poker is a very complex game, if you know the hand odds, pot odds, implied odds, the importance of ICM, which does take a good amount of memorization, you have barely scratched the surface of what you will have to know to be a good poker player. You also need to know position, have patience, be able to learn your oppenent's strengths and weaknesses and how to exploit their weaknesses while avoid being exploited. If you figure all that out, and are still losing, I'd have to refer you to a better poker player than myself. |
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phiNny
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| yes its possible. Its all about the odds even thought sometimes thats not the case. |
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