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HuJwang
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 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: 3 hands of limited hold them |
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#1: not many hands on villain but he seems to be kinda loose/aggressive, but not overly so. he doesn't seem to be that great, e.g. cold calling raises from the SB when he should basically be 3b/f his whole range. however he does open and 3bet pre with some frequency.
it feels weird to fold pairs in limit but i kinda felt like i should here
$3/$6 Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by
Pre-Flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB A 8
2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls
Flop: Q 7 8 (4.5 SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls
Turn: K (5.2 BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero ...
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#2: same villain as in previous hand. line? value raise river?
$3/$6 Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by
Pre-Flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 A A
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets, SB calls
Flop: 9 9 2 (9.0 SB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls
Turn: Q (5.5 BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls
River: K (11.5 BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero ....
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#3: i think the only question here is whether to bet river. villain seems kinda bad, maybe a little loose but not super out of line.
$3/$6 Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by
Pre-Flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is BTN J J
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls
Flop: Q Q Q (7.5 SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls
Turn: J (4.8 BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls
River: A (6.8 BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero ... |
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WhatASurprise
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In hand 1, I prefer 3betting pre against this particular opponent. As played, I'm not really a big fan of the flop c/r. There are a lot of straight draws you're ahead of, but which still has decent equity, and he often has you dominated. You basically end up valuetowning yourself a lot. If there was an FD OTF, I would be happier to c/r.
As played, I think I'd fold.
In hand 2, my default is to flat the river with limited postflop reads. However, if he's really stationy post I prefer a raise. Most of these guys play the river horribly, so I guess a raise/fold can be fine.
Hand 3: Bet |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hand 3: Bet |
b/f or b/c? |
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WhatASurprise
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hand 3: Bet |
b/f or b/c? |
b/f and I don't think it's close at all |
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yeurmine
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hand 3: Bet |
b/f or b/c? |
b/f and I don't think it's close at all |
I would bet/call in general. I play differently accordingly to the players.
If he chased you that far and hit his ace and checked it in front of you, he deserves to win an extra big bet.
Long run you will make a ton on this player who checks when he hits his ace.
Edit: I give him a medium PP or quads. |
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WhatASurprise
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| yeurmine wrote: |
| WhatASurprise wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| WhatASurprise wrote: |
Hand 3: Bet |
b/f or b/c? |
b/f and I don't think it's close at all |
I would bet/call in general. I play differently accordingly to the players.
If he chased you that far and hit his ace and checked it in front of you, he deserves to win an extra big bet.
Long run you will make a ton on this player who checks when he hits his ace.
Edit: I give him a medium PP or quads. |
What hands are he c/r'ing OTR except a Q or Ace? There are really few bluffs in is range, as this is a horrible board to bluff. |
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fire_eyes_2k
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Hand 1: 3bet pre, fold the turn as played, as I can't quite work out what you're beating here.
Hand2: I'm up for raising. I think we see KQ here a lot, maybe AQ/AK that's got carried away at one point or another in the hand. If he has spades then nh him imo, can't really see a 9 without a c/r ott.
Hand3: I think i check here most of the time, as I can't see too many worse hands calling a bet. You're behind aces, quads, and are underpairs really going to call? Wouldn't be too surprised to see the case J. |
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jjc16_1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: 3 hands of limited hold them |
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#1: not many hands on villain but he seems to be kinda loose/aggressive, but not overly so. he doesn't seem to be that great, e.g. cold calling raises from the SB when he should basically be 3b/f his whole range. however he does open and 3bet pre with some frequency.
it feels weird to fold pairs in limit but i kinda felt like i should here
$3/$6 Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by
Pre-Flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB A 8
2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls
Flop: Q 7 8 (4.5 SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls
Turn: K (5.2 BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero ...
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#2: same villain as in previous hand. line? value raise river?
$3/$6 Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by
Pre-Flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 A A
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets, SB calls
Flop: 9 9 2 (9.0 SB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls
Turn: Q (5.5 BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls
River: K (11.5 BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero ....
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#3: i think the only question here is whether to bet river. villain seems kinda bad, maybe a little loose but not super out of line.
$3/$6 Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by
Pre-Flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is BTN J J
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls
Flop: Q Q Q (7.5 SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls
Turn: J (4.8 BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls
River: A (6.8 BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero ... |
I have to preface this by saying that I typically play much lower limits than you do (.1/.2 my usual) so I'm guessing that the players at this level are much better than the ones I play against. However, here goes . . .
Hand#1: Fold
Reason: As some of the other posters have said, I can't think of too many hands that you could beat here. The only thing that comes to mind is some kind of semi-bluff with a straight or flush draw, but that seems more like something that a player at my level would do, not at 3/6.
Hand#2: Call
Reason: The last bet looked suspiciously like a "semi-bluff/where-the-hell-am-I-in-this-hand" bet. I think the villian would have capped with a 9, hoping that you had something like AA (which you did) and that you would be willing to call 1 or more extra bets on the river.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if he had two spades on the river. I'm even kind of tempted to put him on 10sJs for the straight flush, given the turn action. However, he could also have a KQ, AQ, or AK and think it's good. So, I say call.
Hand #3: Check behind
Reason: Like previous posters, I also can't think of a hand worse than yours that can call you here. Unless you have a very good read on the guy that he's a calling station with something like 1010 here, I would just check behind.
I really put the most likely hand that the villian has as like 1010-77 maybe. He probably called a bet on the flop b/c you likely missed the Q, called 1 on the turn b/c you probably missed the J, and is ready to fold the river to a bet. I think a A-J, K-J, or J-10 would have reraised the turn to see where they are.
I hope that this helps. Someday, I aspire to play 3/6. However, my current bankroll is only 65$ (built from nothing), so I need a bit more time. |
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