Online Poker Forum - One more JJ question - later in tourney.

Pokergal812 · Full House Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 153 Location: Jersey

How about it here... JJ really does screw me up a bit. I thought about folding... opponent has played a few pots but not that many - he was a decent player... I put him on AK pre - but who knows... I think his range is prob. 10-10 - AA for this kind of re-raise out of the SB... I had position so I decided to flat call his raise... is this the right thinking? Or are there better ways to play this? Maybe I should've just folded in the face of his raise...

Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 6 players -
The Official Hand History

CO: t1535 M = 20.47
BTN: t4390 M = 58.53
SB: t1595 M = 21.27
BB: t2960 M = 39.47
UTG: t1445 M = 19.27
Hero (MP): t1575 M = 21

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is MP with J Diamond

J

1 fold, Hero raises to t150, 2 folds, SB raises to t500, 1 fold, Hero calls t350

Flop: (t1050) K Heart

6

7

(2 players)
SB bets t450, Hero folds

Pokergal812 · Full House Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 153 Location: Jersey

or am I supposed to reshove on the flop? Maybe... hmmm.

lurgertor · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject:

NilesMonkey · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:06 pm Post subject:

Pokergal812 · Full House Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 153 Location: Jersey

OK, so you guys think that the best move with JJ facing a re-raise from SB in this spot would probably be a fold pre rather than a flat call to take a flop? I think that's the bigger question here for me...

bleffo19 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject:

ehhhh i might consider folding pre. we'd have to be flatting 1/3rd of our stack pre which i don't like. especially because we'll be faced with alot of flops that make our JJ look bad such as ^^ that one, where we just have to c/f to aggression. i feel that we'll be c/f too often in this spot to warrant a flat with our stack. depending on the player reshoving pre might be the best way too.

i don't think this is being done with air here. not many $2 players can do this as a bluff, so it's most likely he has nutty hands. AK got there, and QQ+ were always ahead.
so as played fold. and either fold/shove pre

Pokergal812 · Full House Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 153 Location: Jersey

thanks... this one was a little dodgy. My gut was telling me to fold pre... I don't think I love the reshove option but I see where it's probably a better option then just the flat call...

Basscadet7 · High Card Joined: 31 Aug 2009 Posts: 18

looking over this hand and how the hand was played.... im not too sure you can credit the villain for AK or QQ+ too much

i usually play at 2.25 sitngo and ive seen reraises from the small blind with complete garbage (escpecially early in the tourney)

in this particular hand on a K 6 7 flop its too draw heavy of a board to put put of a bet of 450 in a 1k or so pot... if the small blind did hit the K with AK he would have probably shoved on the flop to prevent the straight and flush draws (unless they were holding AK of clubs) because i see almost all players in this level of sitngo press the 'bet pot' button to prevent draws but this looks like a cbet with AQ or a mid pair since they left themselves around 600 in chips left

i only throw this out there because i really dont think players in the 2 dollar sitngos think about things like the ICM and EV...

if i were in this spot i would actually reshove preflop its probably not the best move in terms of the ICM but i really hate giving players monster ranges in this level of sitngo

a little late but thats just my 0.02

bleffo19 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject:

rebel361 · High Card Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 4

I'm with Basscadet here. I think at this level he's probably got a much wider range than you give him credit for and you should probably shove pre-flop. I see otherwise decent players who aren't confident playing middle pairs after the flop make that bet lot with hands like 77 - 1010.

The size of the re-raise was also a big clue. He popped it from 150 to 500...more than 3x the initial raise. Most players won't do that with AA or KK, so you can probably eliminate those hands unless you have a reason to believe this guy is a really good - and not just a decent - player.

After the flop you're in a much more difficult situation. My range for him at this point leaves him only AK or QQ to beat you with, although he could still be a donkey with KQ. As it's previously stated, your all-in isn't going to get called unless you are beat, so the best play is probably a call here and then when he panics and shoves on the turn you call again.

Keep in mind, there is no right thing to do in every situation, and in this case you've gotta consider your opponents. Really, I think about 60%+ you're facing a smaller pair. The biggest part of the other times is either A/k or QQ. Very rarely would I think you're going against AA or KK because as I stated before, you'd probably be looking at a smaller re-raise if you were (probably to around 400)

cese · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject:

i dont like folding 1/3 of my stack. reshove pre or fold

Pokergal812 · Full House Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 153 Location: Jersey

thanks some really good points have been made and some solid advice to be considered for next time.

PJs Ronin · Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:08 am Post subject:

No offense to the OP, but why is there so much discussion, and fear perhaps, about JJ?

44 AA 44 2 · High Card Joined: 06 Mar 2009 Posts: 1

Shove.
Multi-table
Find out later if it held.

lurgertor · Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject:

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