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Callaghan5
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Joined: 02 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:30 pm Post subject: pocket queens not holding up ? |
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hello , just playing about 8 weeks online and a bit of advice needed. playing yesterday twice with 2 queens pre flop , and bet 3 times the blinds. flop gives me 3 queens , but 3 spades on board with 1 other player, was i right in going all in to get the pot as i was afraid of the flush , i was called with ace spades 4 off suit and lost to a flush on river.
Also similar result in super turbo with 3 queens after flop to 1 other caller with Q ,10 , J , called all in opponent shows j , k , ace on river gives him a straight. Am a playing too loose or just unlucky.
Also what are the best type of no limits to play as i only get to play an hour every 2nd day. Also i have a bad habit of playing too many hands chasing to many outs .
Thanks for any Help |
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lurgertor
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Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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Location: Riskville
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Well those hands you posted are both fine, but then you mentioned how you have a habit of chasing too many outs. My guess is there are other hands that you played where you were calling big bets without the right odds to justify making them.
As for what level, the most important is that you do not play for more than you can afford to lose, even Phil Ivey isn't immune to a downswing. Second of all if you don't want to have to make several deposits use some sort of BRM system, you can look up Chris Ferguson's policy to give you a running start. GL |
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cjcarroll
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Joined: 30 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Couple of thoughts: you never mentioned your position, although it was clear that you were, in fact, out-of-position since your lone opponent called your AI bet. Position is a very important consideration. That flop was a mixed blessing for you: you hit trip Qs, but your opponent may already have a made flush.
A made flush would have induced a call from him, and possibly a raise, although he would have been wiser to slow play to the river to extract more of your chips. If he didn't, he would likely have folded even to a far lesser bet. Assuming you had him beat with your monster trips, the right move for you would have also been to slowplay to the river for the same reason. So an AI bet on your part was unwise. Live and learn.
Checking here would have disguised your hand, but also given your opponent a shot at a free card if he had made a flush yet, but was on a draw. So I would have made a smallish bet of around a quarter to a third of the pot and see if he stuck around. If he came over me, if it appeared that the flop probably didn't help him, I would definitely have to consider the possibility that he had a made straight and may have had to lay down my 3 Qs. At least this way I could have gotten out a lot cheaper.
Remember, take your time with monsters, you don't want to chase people away and you don't want to put all of your chips at risk when a smaller bet will accomplish the same goal. |
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lurgertor
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Couple of thoughts: you never mentioned your position, although it was clear that you were, in fact, out-of-position since your lone opponent called your AI bet. Position is a very important consideration. That flop was a mixed blessing for you: you hit trip Qs, but your opponent may already have a made flush.
A made flush would have induced a call from him, and possibly a raise, although he would have been wiser to slow play to the river to extract more of your chips. If he didn't, he would likely have folded even to a far lesser bet. Assuming you had him beat with your monster trips, the right move for you would have also been to slowplay to the river for the same reason. So an AI bet on your part was unwise. Live and learn.
Checking here would have disguised your hand, but also given your opponent a shot at a free card if he had made a flush yet, but was on a draw. So I would have made a smallish bet of around a quarter to a third of the pot and see if he stuck around. If he came over me, if it appeared that the flop probably didn't help him, I would definitely have to consider the possibility that he had a made straight and may have had to lay down my 3 Qs. At least this way I could have gotten out a lot cheaper.
Remember, take your time with monsters, you don't want to chase people away and you don't want to put all of your chips at risk when a smaller bet will accomplish the same goal. |
I wouldn't slow play any of my big hands on this board expcept for perhaps the nut flush or a made straight flush and that would be based on a specific read, i.e. the villain is prone to bluffing when his oppenents appear weak. I wouldn't be slowplaying this hand though, given that its hard to get a read, because the OP is OOP and since people flat a normal 3x BB raise with a very wide range I wouldn't have much of a read through that either. Therefore I wouldn't know if my opponent has a big draw or not, and I'd be giving him a free card to make a flush or a straight. I would bet it hard and strong, maybe allin if that was approximately a pot size bet or less.
Even if he had the flush we still have 7 outs on the turn to a better hand and 10 on the turn. |
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Callaghan5
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Joined: 02 Oct 2009
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| Thanks Guys , player didn;t have the flush until the turn card , and i was tryin to put him off the pot with an all in raise & was caught out. i probably was playing too many hands encouraging the call. I trying to play more tight and play the odds a bit better , and develop my game. Cheers |
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