Online Poker Forum - I'm glad that the LAG player lost with 3,5 suited

donkey933 · Full House Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Posts: 249

I don't know anything at all about the dude, and he may very well be a decent poker player with big earnings, and I'm just a nobody micro-stakes player who will probably never ever play in the WSOP, but that doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion and I think that move he tried to pull in the WSOP against the chip leader was simply idiotic and worthy of a donk.

That level of play is something that I'd expect to see on a 10 cent 360 player game on pokerstars, and not at the main event at the WSOP right before the final table.

His huge mistake was trying to be clever and playing such a crap hand like 3,5 to begin with and getting involved with somebody else who had a big stack. That's not a good strategy for that stage in the tournament and I guess he learned his lesson. I've seen better and smarter bubble play before on the 1 dollar ferguson tournament, lol.

My 2 donkey cents.

Very Happy

BigScaryMonster · Banned Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 87

The guy you're referring to is a huge winner online and by all accounts played an amazingly good tournament. That one hand is pretty terrible spew but I'm sure anyone who plays MTTs has been in situations where they've ruined hours of solid play with a single brainfart. He certainly doesn't need or deserve the inevitable criticism from losing microdonks.

By the way, his mistake was failing to let a low flush go on a paired board against a cardrack nit. There's certainly nothing wrong with aggressively playing marginal hands against a lesser-skilled bigstack.

donkey933 · Full House Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Posts: 249

CompleteDonk · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:16 am Post subject:

What hand?

BigScaryMonster · Banned Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 87

Yeah I wasn't referring specifically to you, more to the millions of tards out there who'll now offer their insights into how badly he played the hand. The point is, the reason it backfired is solely because he overplayed it when he hit. The fact that he made a mistake and lost doesn't mean the basic idea of playing creatively against predictable opponents is a bad idea. Hell, it made him over a mirrion dorrars.

BigScaryMonster · Banned Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 87

cese · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

he obv thought the situation was correct. its hard to judge solely on the hand history bc there are much more dynamics live

Pete D · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:04 am Post subject:

Here's the hand... it aired on ESPN this week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljfIs_wS5wc

Both players are insane, imo... especially Kopp who could have snoozed his way to the November Nine if he simply folder his hand after Moon's check-raise on the turn.

This is Kopp's interview on the hand. He claims that the raise all-in was a BLUFF to get Moon to fold the better flush... he's so full of it. If you look at his reaction on ESPN, you can tell he was shocked to see he was beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym43nobsTwo&feature=related

goomlah · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:04 am Post subject:

Why would Moon fold there? Unless Kopp flopped a set (which he probably doesn't play in the way he did), Moon loses only to an ace high flush AND he probably has 1 out anyway (10 of diamonds). Am I reading too much into it?

adam27x · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:07 am Post subject:

the board paired OTT so a flopped set beats him, but that's pretty lol to think he'll fold a higher flush, he was full of ****

templar rage · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject:

I think Kopp made the mistake that a ton of people playing the micros make: he tried to make a play that is over the head of his opponent. Plays don't work if the person doesn't really understand it, and I don't think Moon understands that you aren't really supposed to get into a hand with the other big stack without the absolute nuts or close to it. Against Phil Ivey, it may have actually worked.

bottlecapthief · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject:

It was clear what happened. Like Pete said, he was surprised when Darvin turned his hand over. Billy got creative and raised with 35d, flopped a flush, and nothing was going to stop him. From all accounts, Billy plays really well but just spazzed on this hand.

Pete D · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject:

What makes this hand even more bizarre is that apparently Moon did not realize the board had paired on the turn!

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2009/11/darvin-moon-vs-billy-kopp-the-45-million-dollar-hand-revisit-7492.htm

Pete D · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject:

goomlah · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject:

bigger raise on the flop or check the turn if kopp had a boat. At least you would think.

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