Online Poker Forum - Is the isolation play right here??

JJsell · Flush Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 144

The limp caller of the allin is relatively new to the table, he had just got more chips by winning his JJ>99 allin pf. His first hand at the table i had kk, he limped and i raised 6xbb, flop A77, he shoves allin otf.

On the hand below i feel i am above his range and he will probably fold to the shove and the allin raisers range must be something like 77+ AJs+.
I just wanted to know if its beter shoving or just flatting pf.

Full Tilt, $5 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 9 Players
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SB: 800
BB: 2,930
UTG: 1,065
UTG+1: 6,335
UTG+2: 2,425
Hero (MP1): 3,325
MP2: 1,170
CO: 2,490
BTN: 2,440

Pre-Flop: (75) Q

A

dealt to Hero (MP1)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls 50, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 200, 3 folds, SB raises to 800 and is All-In, BB folds, UTG+1 calls 750, Hero raises to 3,325 and is All-In,

francois8 · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject:

Am I allowed to just answer that UTG+1 is an idiot? Wow.

Given that he's called twice, I don't think he's folding to your shove... I mean like 0% of the time he folds here. Given his line so far, and the previous hand you played with him, I think I flat and take a flop with him here, you have position. He'll probably check the flop a lot of the time here, so you can have a free turn card also if he does.

My rationale is that if he has a pair, he's probably not folding regardless. So why risk all your chips when you're likely slightly behind him. If he shoves a ragged flop, I give it up. And if an A or Q hits, I'm ready to get it in with double limping guy and all of that extra money in there.

deadmeat82 · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject:

From what you've said here it looks as if UTG+1 is a shove or fold type guy and doesn't have much interest in playing a hand w/o putting all his chips in the middle. He'd probably be a good choice to get some chips from but I'm not sure if he's letting anything go here pf. Unfortunately for you he might be holding one of your outs against a smaller pocket pair with Ax or KQ etc as well.

I don't think I iso shove this deep and this early tbh, plus you have position on him. I think you could flat here and possibly get away from this without flipping for your life if the flop turns out to be sour or outplay him and let him make a costly mistake if you hit the flop.

doyle11 · Full House Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 196

i agree with the above posts...moving this early in the tournament in that spot might not be the best play i think callin is preferable...you have good odds to call and position on utg+1 take the flop... the call utg+1 made is very awkward so just call the extra 600 and take a flop wit him b4 u decide wat to do...even if u do lose u got plenty of chips to play wit

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JJsell · Flush Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 144

ok thanks for the advice. i can see a call was the right option now, at the time i thought it was good to shove but i guess not considering how deep we were.

TinkyTyler · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject:

Yea you're in position and I doubt he's folding to your shove (he might fold some mid pairs but hes calling 90% of the time here), so see a flop.

francois8 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject:

So what did he call three times with pf?

JJsell · Flush Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 144

he folded lol!!! and the shorty showed up with 88 which held up!

francois8 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject:

Haha, I suck! So much for my 0%, at least you're still in afterwards. Fwiw call, 16x call, fold is beyond bad by him.

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