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mrormrswiz
Pair
Joined: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 39
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 Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: BAD Beat or bad call? |
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Here is the hand:
It was a loose player:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15573706791: FPCBR $1500 (112245367), Table 62 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:12:51 ET - 2009/10/25
Seat 1: Ghotierr (1,880)
Seat 2: Igrec (100), is sitting out
Seat 3: Workert (120), is sitting out
Seat 4: Shuin86 (105), is sitting out
Seat 5: INeedAnother111 (8,605)
Seat 6: ObePT (60), is sitting out
Seat 7: mrormrswiz (8,875)
Seat 8: Queen Danari (7,965)
Seat 9: zvizid (5,494)
zvizid posts the small blind of 60
Ghotierr posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mrormrswiz [Ks Ah]
Igrec folds
Workert folds
Shuin86 folds
INeedAnother111 folds
ObePT folds
mrormrswiz raises to 360
Queen Danari calls 360
zvizid calls 300
Ghotierr folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 3c Ad]
zvizid checks
mrormrswiz bets 360
Queen Danari has 15 seconds left to act
Queen Danari folds
zvizid calls 360
*** TURN *** [Jc 3c Ad] [Ts]
zvizid checks
mrormrswiz bets 1,920
zvizid calls 1,920
*** RIVER *** [Jc 3c Ad Ts] [Ac]
zvizid bets 2,854, and is all in
mrormrswiz calls 2,854
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zvizid shows [8c Qc] a flush, Ace high
mrormrswiz mucks
zvizid wins the pot (11,468) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11,468 | Rake 0
Board: [Jc 3c Ad Ts Ac]
Seat 1: Ghotierr (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Igrec didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Workert didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Shuin86 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: INeedAnother111 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ObePT didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: mrormrswiz mucked [Ks Ah] - three of a kind, Aces
Seat 8: Queen Danari (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: zvizid (small blind) showed [8c Qc] and won (11,468) with a flush, Ace high |
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JDizzzle72
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Joined: 01 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| terrible flop bet |
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marsupial311
Royal Flush
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Posts: 502
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah. Make it at least 800 into that pot after the flop, i'm probably going 1000. Gotta make him pay for his draw |
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mrormrswiz
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Joined: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yea I thought that after te fact But he was loose
I guess i trapped my self |
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junkbutton
Forum Cooler
Joined: 17 Feb 2006
Posts: 4907
Location: Gutterrock, NY
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| JDizzzle72 wrote: |
| terrible flop bet |
Yeah, this is the only thing I really saw wrong with the hand up to the river. It's obviously not a bad beat because you got it in behind. Once he moves in on the river, I think it's pretty obvious what he has and you calling just looks like you want to show the table how unlucky you got. You still have a ton of chips left and should be able to let that go... |
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Peepers_au
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 15 Feb 2008
Posts: 1132
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| mrormrswiz wrote: |
| Yea I thought that after te fact But he was loose |
All the more reason to bet out bigger. |
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francois8
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Posts: 1930
Location: Conshohocken, PA
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| JDizzzle72 wrote: |
| terrible flop bet |
This ^. If you bet more on the flop, the pot will be bigger and you can bet more on even shove the turn.
As played, I suppose you can call if you put the villain on the case ace or a bluff, but what else can you beat? You can't beat a flush, you can't beat 33, JJ, TT, you can't beat KQ, you can't beat AJ, AT, A3.
To me this is not the critical point of the hand... so I didn't vote in your poll question here. People are actually answering the question that you could have asked which would be: "How can I play this hand better?"
EDIT: Notice villain's hand here.
On flop he has 9 outs to flush, 47 unkown cards. Odds he hits flush on turn 4.22:1, pot odds that your bet offerred him: 4.33: 1 (Good call)
On turn, he picks up a double belly buster (which is good unless you have KQ), so he now has 15 outs, 46 unknown cards. Odds that he hits river: 2.07:1, pot odds that your bet offerred him: 2.19:1 (Good call).
And this is not even including the implied odds. where he got you to put another 2854 in there after he hit his hand... So his calls were both perfectly valid on actual odds alone, and if you include his implied odds if he hits his hand, both of his calls in this hand are extremely correct. |
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dain32
High Card
Joined: 12 Nov 2007
Posts: 14
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| You gave him a cheap turn for his flush draw, but he didnt get it. On the turn you outprice the flush draw and he calls and gets it....This makes me think even if you outpriced the flop and pushed on the turn he would still make the mistake of calling you, so maybe there was no pattern of betting that was getting this player off of his hand. |
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