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craigo6x
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 Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: flopped 2nd nut str8 - OESF draw |
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can I continue based on the flop action?
Full Tilt Poker Game #15673516316: Table Sparta (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 0:42:54 ET - 2009/10/30
Seat 1: fatboy2002 ($10.05)
Seat 2: dangerousmofo41 ($10.36)
Seat 3: piegal ($6.57)
Seat 4: NIAGARA ($9.85)
Seat 5: Qronic ($9.82)
Seat 6: craigo6x ($16.40)
craigo6x posts the small blind of $0.05
fatboy2002 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to craigo6x [8h Th Tc 7c]
dangerousmofo41 calls $0.10
piegal has 15 seconds left to act
piegal calls $0.10
NIAGARA folds
Qronic calls $0.10
craigo6x calls $0.05
fatboy2002 checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9c 8c]
craigo6x checks
fatboy2002 checks
dangerousmofo41 bets $0.50
piegal has 15 seconds left to act
piegal raises to $1.30
Qronic folds
craigo6x ... |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| W/o running it through propokertools, I think your equity here is a lot worse than it appears. Granted you have two T blockers, but that only means so much. Vs a higher FD/set and backdoor lowdraw, I think it's really thin. |
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craigo6x
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Zophar wrote: |
| W/o running it through propokertools, I think your equity here is a lot worse than it appears. Granted you have two T blockers, but that only means so much. Vs a higher FD/set and backdoor lowdraw, I think it's really thin. |
I folded...they both showed down Q 10 without redraws. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
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| W/o running it through propokertools, I think your equity here is a lot worse than it appears. Granted you have two T blockers, but that only means so much. Vs a higher FD/set and backdoor lowdraw, I think it's really thin. |
I folded...they both showed down Q 10 without redraws. |
This is why you can't over estimate the blockers, good fold. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Zophar wrote: |
| craigo6x wrote: |
| Zophar wrote: |
| W/o running it through propokertools, I think your equity here is a lot worse than it appears. Granted you have two T blockers, but that only means so much. Vs a higher FD/set and backdoor lowdraw, I think it's really thin. |
I folded...they both showed down Q 10 without redraws. |
This is why you can't over estimate the blockers, good fold. |
i was gonna say he probably could continue if he saw the hands since FD + BDFD + 2 outs to chop is fairly decent equity, but then i remembered there's a lo draw out
this hand is a pretty good example of a hand that is very nice in omaha hi but pretty bad in O8. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| Zophar wrote: |
| craigo6x wrote: |
| Zophar wrote: |
| W/o running it through propokertools, I think your equity here is a lot worse than it appears. Granted you have two T blockers, but that only means so much. Vs a higher FD/set and backdoor lowdraw, I think it's really thin. |
I folded...they both showed down Q 10 without redraws. |
This is why you can't over estimate the blockers, good fold. |
i was gonna say he probably could continue if he saw the hands since FD + BDFD + 2 outs to chop is fairly decent equity, but then i remembered there's a lo draw out
this hand is a pretty good example of a hand that is very nice in omaha hi but pretty bad in O8. |
How often are we worried about a backdoor low draw here? I don't know any definitive percentages, but my gut says that it's hardly even a consideration on this particular flop. |
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HuJwang
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loool ya i thought there were 2 low cards on board for some reason. i read the hand, remembered that we hand 2nd nuts and low wasnt a threat, then when i started writing the post the board somehow changed in my mind to T87 or something
but yeah with only one low card our equity looks a bit better. backdoor low draws hit around 20%-30% depending on how many cards he's got to the low |
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francois8
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| Against two people, considering your blockers, I'd be more worried that you were against a made straight and a better flush draw... with the BD low draw as an additional problem. So yea, I say good fold. Once they both showed QT no redraws, I'd be pissed that I didn't get it in with my flush draw vs 2 others, but that's results oriented thinking obv. |
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