Online Poker Forum - Why do i push here?????

Danduy · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: Why do i push here?????

This was his first hand or play in 16 turns. I didn't use the hand converter for the chat!!!

Full Tilt Poker Game #15499739747: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (113646766), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:48:09 ET - 2009/10/22
Seat 1: golfjunky21 (1,275)
Seat 2: Justified422 (2,650)
Seat 3: Tenfifteen (1,620)
Seat 4: Danduy (1,780)
Seat 5: makdeeznuts (1,335)
Seat 6: suckitbuddy (235)
Seat 7: sebia (1,685)
Seat 8: drnated (1,450)
Seat 9: bluefront (1,470)
sebia posts the small blind of 25
drnated posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Danduy [Kh Ks]
bluefront folds
golfjunky21 has 15 seconds left to act
golfjunky21 folds
Justified422 calls 50
Tenfifteen folds
Danduy raises to 150
makdeeznuts raises to 450
suckitbuddy folds
sebia has 15 seconds left to act
sebia folds
drnated folds
Justified422 folds
Danduy has 15 seconds left to act
Danduy: rockets huh
Danduy raises to 1,780, and is all in
makdeeznuts calls 885, and is all in
Danduy shows [Kh Ks]
makdeeznuts shows [Ac Ah]
Uncalled bet of 445 returned to Danduy
*** FLOP *** [Td 4h 5c]
*** TURN *** [Td 4h 5c] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Td 4h 5c 3s] [3c]
Danduy shows two pair, Kings and Threes
makdeeznuts shows two pair, Aces and Threes
makdeeznuts wins the pot (2,795) with two pair, Aces and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,795 | Rake 0
Board: [Td 4h 5c 3s 3c]
Seat 1: golfjunky21 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Justified422 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Tenfifteen didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Danduy showed [Kh Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 5: makdeeznuts showed [Ac Ah] and won (2,795) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 6: suckitbuddy (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: sebia (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: drnated (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: bluefront didn't bet (folded)

Why why why, i had a very strong feeling and was right. But then again, i can't lay the cowboys down, unless i've seen their cards are Aces.

fat rugger · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 1046

You can't put him on aces after a 3 bet pre. He could easily have JJ, QQ, AK. 99-TT and AQ are not unlikely. So I think your shove is correct.

I pretty much decided I was never going to fold Kings pre. And I think this has worked out for me as plenty of people show up with tt-qq, ak, etc.

bleffo19 · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:19 am Post subject:

why did you push? because it was the right thing to do.

due to the aggressive nature of online poker, and the vast amounts of idiots playing too, 3-bets no longer mean AA or KK. they can mean anything from 10-10+ or AK/AQ, sometimes even AJ. you happened to run into aces here, and you will run into aces with kings many times in the future. that doesn't mean it was a bad shove. i would shove here every day all over again.

pretty much what fat rugger said. people are just ask likely to turn up with aces and they are with QQ which you crush

cardfish2 · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:15 am Post subject:

You've probably said "rockets huh" a hundred times. This time you happened to be right.

Danduy · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject:

Nope, Just said it four times and only 1 time i was wrong.

Sometimes you just have the feeling in the guts, your mind tells you what is going on here. But like said before, i can't put them down.

sinfulcilla · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject:

NilesMonkey · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject:

Open fold pre.

Pokergal812 · Full House Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 153 Location: Jersey

tough one.

I've been in that spot a few times... Where you know you are beat, you can put them on the exact hand you are beat with and you pay it off anyhow... I guess the good news is, you're making the right read, the bad news is, it's the wrong decision

the flip side is, I agree with fat rugger -- KK I'm almost always going with, given that range of hands. Maaaaaaybe, I fold them heads up at the WSOP if I have that 100% feeling that he's got AA in my gut - but at a FT sng, probably not.

NilesMonkey · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject:

fat rugger · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 1046

Example of why you shove: people show up with worse even with more pf action:

Full Tilt Poker $20 + $2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 7 players -
The Official Hand History

MP: t2940 M = 39.20
CO: t1620 M = 21.60
BTN: t1025 M = 13.67
SB: t3875 M = 51.67
BB: t1245 M = 16.60
Hero (UTG): t1660 M = 22.13
UTG+1: t1135 M = 15.13

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is UTG with K

K

Hero raises to t150, UTG+1 calls t150, MP raises to t675, 1 fold, BTN raises to t1025 all in, 2 folds, Hero raises to t1660 all in, 1 fold, MP calls t985

Final Pot: t4570
MP shows Q

Q

BTN shows A

Q

Hero shows K

K

cardfish2 · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject:

goomlah · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:59 am Post subject:

people were doing that this year cardfish. I think I saw 2 instances of it.

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