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Coasterbrad Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: $3.50+$0.30 9-man Super Turbo Strategy |
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I have recently started playing the $3.50+$0.30 9-man Super Turbos as they are quick and fun. I feel that there is also a possibility for them to be profitable if played right. Do any of you play these and if so what are your thoughts on them?
I feel that they are basically a crap shoot or lottery for most players who play them. A lot of AI's and multi-way pots. I do see a fair amount of people try to limp in to see the flop though. I play with an all in or fold mentality and only play monster hands or suited connectors for the most part. This seems to work fairly well as the other players knock each other out if I can double up or triple up early.
Anyway, as I said I feel that these can be profitable if played right so I wanted to get your opinion on a strategy for them. Obviously you can also get a huge amount of volume in as they only run about 20 minutes.
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Ozzy52 High Card
Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 1996 Location: Watching, warning against surprise attack from beyond space.
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: |
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I played one by accident when they first started, thought it was a reg 9man. I came 1st in my one attempt, prolly more luck than skill tho.
Like you say, quick and fun but I dunno If I could play them all the time, not sure my nerves could take it TBH.
I might get into a few at teh weekend, just to have a look-see, I'll let you know how it goes. |
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bigpairde Moderator
Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 10107
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: |
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i started playing superturbos recently as well.
they really are fun and can for sure be profitable, since so many don't know about icm at all.
my 'strat' so far is similar to yours brad. i try to keep out of multiway pots unless i have a real monster and only play strong hands in position push or fold. the limp-folders are fun |
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cardfish2 Forum Loser
Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1432 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
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I've played thousands super turbos. There is a lot of strategy involved, but it is a different strategy than other games.
Your all in or fold mentality is good. Playing suited connectors is a big money loser over all. |
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Coasterbrad Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to see some of you enjoy these as well. The limp-folders are a lot of fun, BP.
To clarify, cardfish, I only play mid-upper suited connectors when in position to steal blinds. If I am on the button I will push them and either steal blinds or hope to be flipping against Ax in which case a straight, flush, or pair that holds up would win for me.
As I said, these are basically lotteries in the sense that you have to win some flips but there definately is a strategy that could make these profitable. I just have to find that optimum strategy.
Good luck in these,Ozzy. Let us know how it goes. |
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francois8 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I think a lot of the optimal strategy comes from getting your money in first and punishing limp / folders. The rest would come from ICM, etc. I also think that stealing blinds isn't worth the effort until it goes up a level or two. I've only played a few handfuls of these, but wherever there are bad players, profit can be found. |
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cubbies760 Drawing Dead
Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 12158 Location: Sailing Away...
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: $3.50+$0.30 9-man Super Turbo Strategy |
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| Coasterbrad wrote: |
I have recently started playing the $3.50+$0.30 9-man Super Turbos as they are quick and fun. I feel that there is also a possibility for them to be profitable if played right. Do any of you play these and if so what are your thoughts on them?
I feel that they are basically a crap shoot or lottery for most players who play them. A lot of AI's and multi-way pots. I do see a fair amount of people try to limp in to see the flop though. I play with an all in or fold mentality and only play monster hands or suited connectors for the most part. This seems to work fairly well as the other players knock each other out if I can double up or triple up early.
Anyway, as I said I feel that these can be profitable if played right so I wanted to get your opinion on a strategy for them. Obviously you can also get a huge amount of volume in as they only run about 20 minutes.
Discuss. |
This thread may interest you.
http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/online-poker-play55421.html?highlight=super |
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DforDissent Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 1258 Location: testing my theory that my "best game to 100% focus on" is HORSE mtts
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: $3.50+$0.30 9-man Super Turbo Strategy |
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| OP, the fact that you realize that even from Level 1 it is "shove-or-fold" time, puts you ahead of at least 40% of the $3.50 buyin crowd. And staying out of the way after there is already a shove is also a good idea -- later stages you will always get shortstacks to call with low aces or worse, when you shove good aces or medium/high pocket pairs. The bubble is the hardest part, when you're card dead and they are all shoving before you, it's tough to survive the increasing blinds, hopefully you get a double-up before that from the early donks calling your premium shoves with their J8s and the like. |
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fat rugger Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I also think that stealing blinds isn't worth the effort until it goes up a level or two. |
The very first level the blinds (sb+bb) are 15% of the starting stack so if you don't steal and don't defend you are going to be pretty short stacked after a couple of rotations.
I'm not a ST player, but I have played a few.
There are a couple of ST studs who post here occasionally though. |
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Coasterbrad Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the link cubbies. Don't know how I missed that. I'm definately going to read through that and try to figure out a really good strategy for these and then go crush them. They're fun and kind of addicting. |
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lovebeefstew Also likes tacos
Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 6751 Location: No income tax no VAT....
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| There is no doubt that ST's are profitable for any player with even above average shove/fold skills. Problem is, to overcome variance you have to play an unbelievable amount of them. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess, but I would portray that it would probably be in the 5 figure region. For me personally, that would be way too tilting and I would lose my sanity way before I played enough to mathematically overcome variance. |
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PlayedYou73 Two Pair
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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I've been playing the super turbos for a week now...and i've probably played 125-150 of them or so...and its been positive ROI so far.
Watching limpers is funny for sure...although u have to be careful of some since they'll limp with AA or KK to trap you.
The two most annoying things probably are
(1) Blinds that won't call an extra measely few chips against a short stack all inner who could have anything.
(2) People who shove on the flop in a 3-way...with one of the three being all in...when they have absolutely nothing. So much better to just check it down...especially on the bubble...there's no advantage to betting unless you have a hand..and alot of equity in two people trying to KO the bubble versus a one-on-one fight. Got into it with one idiot today on that...who was of the "i'll play my cards my own way" mentality. "REALLY" important to note who these people are because they are basically trying to steal a pot that can't be stolen because they are definitely seeing a showdown. |
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DforDissent Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 1258 Location: testing my theory that my "best game to 100% focus on" is HORSE mtts
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| PlayedYou73 wrote: |
(2) People who shove on the flop in a 3-way...with one of the three being all in...when they have absolutely nothing. So much better to just check it down...especially on the bubble...there's no advantage to betting unless you have a hand..and alot of equity in two people trying to KO the bubble versus a one-on-one fight. Got into it with one idiot today on that...who was of the "i'll play my cards my own way" mentality. "REALLY" important to note who these people are because they are basically trying to steal a pot that can't be stolen because they are definitely seeing a showdown. |
I don't mind that... so long as it's me the shortstack with my low pocket pair or Ace-rag that holds up as a result of Captain Blufftastic  |
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Coasterbrad Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I've played a few more of these and they are definately profitable. I'm up about $16 today after playing 6 or seven of them. I'll try to keep track from now on to get a better sense but so far I am really liking them. |
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Coasterbrad Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Just played two more. Won one of them and did not cash in the other. Loving them so far. |
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