Online Poker Forum - am i a stupid weak tight idiot, i was tilting

nolan6

Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

There'd been alot of trash talking, villain was TAG but also quite passive, deffinatley not the type to over value a hand or make outrageous bluffs.

Maybe i should GTFO the table when i have big stack, any thoughts, check behind ? call?

hes repping such a narrow range

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BTN: $4.45
SB: $47.99
Hero (BB): $22.40
UTG: $2.72
MP: $26.70
CO: $9.65

Pre-Flop: 6 Spade

Q

dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, CO folds, BTN calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60) 8 Heart

J

7

(3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.60) 3 Spade

(3 Players)
SB bets $0.90, Hero raises to $2, BTN folds, SB calls $1.10

River: ($5.60) 8 Spade

(2 Players)
SB bets $2.70, CO says "too ***** to call", Hero raises to $9, SB says "really?", SB says "naaaaaaa", SB raises to $45.49 and is All-In, Hero says "you got me havebt you", SB says "your bluffing", Hero folds

Results: $23.60 Pot ($1.57 Rake)
SB mucked and WON $22.03 (+$10.53 NET)

templar rage · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject:

I might just call the river against someone like this. I'm not too keen on the preflop call though. The rest is fine IMO.

You should only leave with a big stack if you are uncomfortable playing deep. I usually deal with another big stack, unless they either have position on me and/or are pretty good. Obviously I'm staying if we have a 200BB fish at the table. I'd probably leave your table if either one or both big stacks are decent.

And I'm kinda nit-picking, but TAG and passive can't really be combined. A TAG can have bursts of passivity based on cards, actions, etc, but can't really be passive overall.

nolan6 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject:

Yea when i said TAG passive i meant like, he'll fire once but then give up or maybe twice, but he wont take crazy lines with hands and he he's not aggressive enough to bet/3bet this river. so by saying TAG passive i meant he was tight and moderatley aggressive.

I called pre because i was tilting which i never normally do, its disgusting when i think quite a while about checking behind, but think no he's got to call me with a ton worse, and then he 3bet shoves. FWIW when he said 'naaaaa' i think he has me beat almost always.

OMG i play so bad, Ive only just seen that the board paired on the river, and if i would've seen it, i would've more than likely just called.
Raisng this river for value's proably a little to thin here?... I originally had him on AsKs but now having seen the board paired JJ/88/77 are well within his range.

If anyone else comments on this hand please let me know what you would do, if the board hadnt paired (EG. How i saw the hand- bet/fold?? call?? bet/call??etc) and the what you would do if you saw the board properly on the river(same options)

adam27x · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject:

nolan6 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject:

G Goddard · Four of a Kind Joined: 05 Aug 2009 Posts: 279

Snap fold pre. As played, you're over repping your hand with a raise OTR so I'd just call and see what he has since he'll have AKs and JJ a ton given his raise from the SB.

HuJwang · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject:

fold pre

don't understand the turn minraise. given history i prob just flat but if you're gonna raise, raise bigger.

otr i don't like the speech as people often have the nuts when they say things like that before shoving. however it's 10nl and the nuts here could be anything. you're getting 3:1 so i wouldnt lay this down.

nolan6 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject:

thanks, would you just call the river though because i only raised thinkin there was no full house option?

superfly_si · High Card Joined: 11 May 2009 Posts: 11

As played I fold, but seriously, flat turn and flat river. Raising on the river with a non nut hand is a massive leak, sometimes I think you can raise for value but not when the board pairs on the river and villain leads for half pot (kinda bet i'd make with a boat hoping someone has just hit their flush)

LitUp43 · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:45 am Post subject:

Fold preflop, especially if you're tilting.

He could have 10s9s and isn't putting you on a flush, but I see 77 or JJ more likely. Calling OTR when the board pairs is probably best.

nolan6 · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject:

yeah if you read the OP you'd see i didnt see that the board had paired, so i wouldnt have played it the same had i seen.

HuJwang · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject:

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject:

I think the lesson here is don't tilt. I also avoid getting into chat about the game or hand. I'll chat about random stuff, but I'm equally likely to just completely ignore people in chat. Calling pre is so spewy because even when you hit your miracle boards, you'll still more often than not have the 2nd or 3rd nut hand. As played, you definitely want to just call the river.

LitUp43 · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject:

I was in a similar situation in a $1/$2 game at the Taj, I lost about $300 in one hand and was a little mad at the deck so I tried to make a play from the CO w/ J2 of spades for $12. Got one caller and got luckily unlucky. I flopped the flush w/ the Ace of spades on board and the gentleman 2 seats to my right also flopped a flush w/ Q4 of spades. SO yes the very valuable lesson Mr. Flying Kiwi is don't tilt Smile

. Feel yourself steaming, step away from the table for a little bit if you have to, for tilt makes you play crap.

If you're never raising or betting for value OTR w/out the nuts, you're leaving $ on the table imho. This board, I would definitely have just called though.

ohsnapzbrah · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject:

Well, you're not playing TAG since you are playing Q6s in a raised pot lol.
Either way, I like the flat OTR. There are not many hands that he would shove this with, if he is as you say he is.

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