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semtex32 High Card
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: why am I so bad at all-ins? |
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Been playing about 2 years, just small stake sng's. It seems like whenever I make a move I almost always lose. Going all-in is the 'nuclear option' of trying to scare off opponents, though hoping they think I'm bluffing and call with nothing, or less than I hold.
for the 2 years I've been playing I've moaned about my luck, but I must be doing something wrong because the stats don't lie
Last 5 games or so I've gone out calling
AK
after the turn to
AJ
Both of us were on a flush draw but a J on the river lost it.
pair of Q's with J kicker after the flop but s/he calls Q4 and a 4 on the turn lost it
Pair of K's after flop with J kicker but s/he calls with AT and hits A on turn
Pocket A's, T7H and 4c on flop. S/he calls with A7 and 7 on turn lost it.
small blind all-ins me. I have A4 versus 67 and 7 on turn lost it.
I knew they were aggresive players and was hoping to pick up easy chips, but each time I have gone out. This is the story of 2 years though. Win some, place some but generally lose, and mostly like these scenarios.
This is not a hard luck story, I want to know what I have to do to start winning in these situations, because I am sure they should be giving me big payouts.
Many thanks in advance,
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tiltslowplayer Four of a Kind
Joined: 25 Aug 2009 Posts: 254
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you did something horrible in a past life?
Seriously though (or more seriously), I have finished 2nd in the Sunday 750G qualifier four times this week, each time losing to a suckout after an allin, with some of the calls just moronic and 50 to 1 shots. It has been a bit disheartening considering that my reading, with a few exceptions, has never been better. Hey, maybe I did something horrible in a current life. |
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Sand Wedge_100 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 1945
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds pretty typical.
Now post some of the hands you sucked out with. |
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semtex32 High Card
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Sand Wedge_100 wrote: |
Sounds pretty typical.
Now post some of the hands you sucked out with. |
there are definitely plenty, but if I sucked out at the same ratio I wouldn't be posting this would I?
I'd be sitting on a desert Island drinking pina coladas.
Seriously I don't disregard my luck
Last week I played about 30 games and in four of them I flopped or turned four of a kind, which I think is pretty stunning. shame no one else had anything to go with it.
I'm all-in to scare people off and winning post flop and losing lots.
Now serious advice please. |
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nemesis147 High Card
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 11 Location: uk
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: why are you so horrible at all ins |
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| your not m8, its the software thats horrible and the idiots that call with any 2 cards |
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nemesis147 High Card
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 11 Location: uk
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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ive been on this site for quite a while now, and ive never won anything major, i feel im just wasting my time basically because with the amount of idiots that are signing up nowadays its becoming unbearable to play, because you get these idiots that will chase u right down to the river and get lucky.
i know this is gonna sound horrible but most times i wished that these morons would get a terminal illness and die, because thats how it makes u feel, and most players do feel the same, they just dont admit it. mainly the ones with the super egos |
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stlbirds13 Straight Flush
Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 428 Location: on the wrong side of the coin
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| I get pissed off at bad beats as well, but wishing a terminal illness over a poker game is a little fd up |
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fletch_smf Message Board Junkie
Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 4514 Location: Brisneyland
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| nemesis147 wrote: |
| i know this is gonna sound horrible but most times i wished that these morons would get a terminal illness and die, because thats how it makes u feel, and most players do feel the same, they just dont admit it. mainly the ones with the super egos |
No. No decent player wishes anyone other player would get a terminal illness. Particularly not the bad ones. We want them to stay healthy and keep playing. Generally speaking it's the bad players that say they want other players to get a terminal illness and die.
Think about that for a second.
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I'm all-in to scare people off and winning post flop and losing lots.
Now serious advice please. |
Do you actually want some advice, or are you just hear venting? If you want some advice, stop going All In to scare players off. You want to get all the chips in when you think you're winning, or when you you're short stacked.
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e_ratledge Royal Flush
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 786
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| semtex32 wrote: |
I'm all-in to scare people off and winning post flop and losing lots.
Now serious advice please. |
The problem with this is where you are not going to really get any info to help you. What you posted in your OP does not really give much info, you need to post some hand history's in order to get any serious advise to help you.
The big/ premium starting hands don't always work out, yeah they are hard to toss away but it can be done.
One thing just thinking is what you are saying when you hit a nice pair on the flop( holding one in your hand the other on the board ) then you move AI. To me that would seem to be a ' scare tactic ' like you maybe trying to buy the pot. I have seen that many times in my live games and for the most part it is just that they missed and trying to push me off my hand. Try to start working on that part first because you are just hanging yourself when you do that.
+1 big time to fletch_smf |
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tiltslowplayer Four of a Kind
Joined: 25 Aug 2009 Posts: 254
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| Simple rule for me -- Am I fairly certain that the ALLIN will get the call I WANT or the fold I WANT. If you don't know which one you want or are not certain how much you want it, then you should not do it. Period. |
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MattVegasPwn Message Board Junkie
Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 1053
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:49 am Post subject: Re: why am I so bad at all-ins? |
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| semtex32 wrote: |
AK
after the turn to
AJ
Both of us were on a flush draw but a J on the river lost it. |
Rigged for both having the same suit ace? |
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cjcarroll High Card
Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 12
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds like you're calling good hands that simply didn't hold up. I like sng's myself. One thing you must do is to keep things in perspective. Five bad beats by loose players (don't you hate that) does not mean, necessarily, that you're making bad calls. Don't get tilted over this. Here are a few other thoughts about sng's.
Early in a sng I usually sit tight unless I get premium cards, especially in early position. This is the time I watch how the other players are playing their hands and I adjust my play accordingly. Then I watch as the loosey-goosey players get knocked out.
As the board thins, I loosen my play a bit. If I make to the bubble, I usually tighten up a bit, unless I have a big stack next to three relatively low stacks. I know they'll be very tight to avoid elimination, and I can steal a lot of blinds, which are getting big at this point.
If I make it to heads up play, I have to get aggressive. The blinds are very big now, and if I'm not aggressive, the other player will be. I still mix up my play, though, to keep the other guy on his toes.
This may seem like it doesn't answer your question, but it may. What you haven't mentioned is how deep into the sng you were when you got all those bad beats. |
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HauntedCarolina High Card
Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: |
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It's not you.
And it is not just you.
What I am about to say will more than likely put me on the proverbial Sh*t list but what the heck. Hell it will probably get me banned.
I have witnessed and been victim to literally hundreds upon hundreds of suck outs at s&g's.
The prevailing theory on the net is that full tilts software is designed to make poor players think that they are better than they actually are so that they will make real money deposits.
Take some time and set a clock up on your computer that can display running time in hundreds of seconds and the go open a s&g and sit and watch the time delay on the turn and river cards as the system sets aside winning hands looking for the suck out card.
It's real....It's there to see if you dare to look.
Now I am in no way dissin the entire site. But the freerolls are most certainly "Tilted" in favor of the less able. |
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Big Slick x13x Forum Icon
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 6824 Location: The U.S.A.
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| You're bad at them because you lose. If you were winning you'd say that you're awesome at them, when really neither is true. |
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HauntedCarolina High Card
Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Big Slick x13x wrote: |
| You're bad at them because you lose. If you were winning you'd say that you're awesome at them, when really neither is true. |
110% accurate! |
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