Online Poker Forum - Again Betting basics

Philbird1 · Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: Again Betting basics

OK this was the hand:

Full Tilt Poker Game #14352041450: Table Tapestry - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:29:38 ET - 2009/08/29
Seat 1: JPancerz ($2.31)
Seat 2: Philbird1 ($0.37)
Seat 3: b-lego ($0.82)
Seat 4: Earthquakemaker ($0.50)
Seat 5: BlinkFTW ($2.15)
Seat 6: rads01 ($0.59)
Seat 7: the_solman7 ($1.87)
Seat 8: nightmaresilva ($4.05)
Seat 9: DavidMcphee ($3.20)
Philbird1 posts the small blind of $0.01
b-lego posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Philbird1 [9d Td]
Earthquakemaker calls $0.02
BlinkFTW folds
rads01 folds
the_solman7 folds
nightmaresilva folds
DavidMcphee folds
JPancerz folds
Philbird1 calls $0.01
b-lego has 15 seconds left to act
b-lego checks
*** FLOP *** [Ks 7h Jh]
Philbird1 checks
b-lego bets $0.02
Earthquakemaker calls $0.02
Philbird1 raises to $0.16
b-lego has 15 seconds left to act
b-lego folds
Earthquakemaker folds
Uncalled bet of $0.14 returned to Philbird1
Philbird1 mucks
Philbird1 wins the pot ($0.12)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.12 | Rake $0
Board: [Ks 7h Jh]
Seat 1: JPancerz (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Philbird1 (small blind) collected ($0.12), mucked
Seat 3: b-lego (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Earthquakemaker folded on the Flop
Seat 5: BlinkFTW didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: rads01 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: the_solman7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: nightmaresilva didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: DavidMcphee didn't bet (folded)

I am trying to hget the pro play for betting basics.
Is it a single inside straight draw, or is it double?

EDIT: OMG! Whatever it was I got credit for it!

wildqat · Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject:

Double gutshot:

K Q J T 9 8 7

NoTilt · Royal Flush Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Posts: 831

wildqat's right - it's a double gutshot.

Mathematically, double gutshots and open ended straight draws are the same - both can be completed by cards of 2 ranks. The difference is that open-enders are very easy for the owner to see (who can't see 4 cards in a row?) Double gutters are a little m8ore of a challenge.

Thus, both double gutshots and open-enders have 8 outs (2 * 4 suits). In your case, as wildqat pointed out, a Q or an 8 can complete your straight...either K-Q-JT9 or JT9-8-7. If you have a board of A78 and hole cards of 9T, then you have an open ended straight draw....a 6 or a J make the straight.

Inside straight draws can be completed by one rank and one rank alone. Thus, they've got 4 outs (1 rank * 4 suits), and aren't as good. Hole cards of A8 and a board of 569 would be an inside straight draw...any of the 4 7's in the deck make you a straight.

And if you think this is complex...wait till you play omaha, where you get wrap-around straights and straights with 12 or 16 outs. It'll blow your mind.

Philbird1 · Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:53 am Post subject:

Yes I see that now.

It has taken me a month to complete that task! Especially at the micro level where everyone bets anything! So I finished that challange and am repeating it. In one tourney I completed all tasks, the pro play awaits me again! Hope it doesn't take me another month!

TY for your commwents.

Philbird1 · Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject:

Still waiting........and I play about 5 hours a day!

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