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mysteriouschef
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 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: FLHE play along "Draws" |
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button is 60/0, BB is 55/5. ( small sample size )
Pretty standard open preflop. So lets get this started with flop play.
Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Converter Tool from
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , A
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls
Flop: (6.5 SB) 6, 4, Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero ???
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AllInDrawinDead
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| pretty sure betting is standard here. if the button raises, call. |
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mysteriouschef
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Are you sure that if the btn raises we only call?
What is our equity on the flop?
How many outs do we have discounted? |
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WhatASurprise
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I bet/3bet here. |
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mysteriouschef
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty standard bet/3bet I think, unless someone can show me some math that says I am not +EV here. Turn brings my gut shot straight. Other then that the turn doesn't change much.
Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Converter Tool from
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls
Flop: (6.5 SB) 6, 4, Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB calls, Hero 3bets, Button caps, BB calls, Hero calls
Turn: (17 SB) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero ??? |
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WhatASurprise
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| C/c. |
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mysteriouschef
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| How bad is betting out or c/r the turn? |
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WhatASurprise
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| C/r'ing is pretty spewtastic. Donking can be fine, but in this particular spot, you are likely to get raised, thus having to pay one more BB. |
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AllInDrawinDead
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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i agree c/c the turn. this is starting to look like a made flush tbh.
btw WaS your gif signature slows down my browser quite a bit. |
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WhatASurprise
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| Yeah mine too. But I think it's worth it, considering how awesome it is. |
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mysteriouschef
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Wish there was more interest in the FL forum. |
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fire_eyes_2k
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| mysteriouschef wrote: |
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Not a lot to add other than I agree with WhatASurprise. On the flop you bet/3bet/cap quite happily.
On the turn, a check/call is the right way to go. Given the flop action, you have to assume someone has a made hand, whether it's top pair, a set, even a made flush, so there's no point C/Ring as you're behind so there's no value in it, and at least one of the villains is never folding. Same argument for donking really, you're just giving value to hands that are beating you.
If a heart comes on the river, then you will want to lead for value, as a non flush is going to check behind. |
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mysteriouschef
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| I would like to add that just because you do not have the best hand that you can not raise for value. |
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DforDissent
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| mysteriouschef wrote: |
| I would like to add that just because you do not have the best hand that you can not raise for value. |
Your hand might be <50% to "win" on the flop, but since it's 3handed I am guessing that vs. the reasonable range of the 2 villains you are at least 30% to win, maybe even 40% since there is a non-zero chance thatthe raiser is pushing HIS flush draw (and thus your overcards are outs too) ... therefore you are a "money favorite" and so raising here IS for "value" (might get a free card on the turn too, though your position makes it unlikely). |
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jjc16_1
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| mysteriouschef wrote: |
Pretty standard bet/3bet I think, unless someone can show me some math that says I am not +EV here. Turn brings my gut shot straight. Other then that the turn doesn't change much.
Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Converter Tool from
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls
Flop: (6.5 SB) 6, 4, Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB calls, Hero 3bets, Button caps, BB calls, Hero calls
Turn: (17 SB) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero ??? |
Since the button raised and capped the flop, it's very possible that you're up against a big made hand -- possibly a lower flush with the suited connectors. At the very least, I would imagine that you're up against a Q.
So, in either case, I think you c/C the turn. There is no point betting into places where you have negative -EV. Even a pair of Q's has you beat here, b/c you have probably 19 outs (9 hearts, 3A, 3K, 4J) and only one card (19*2 = 38% to win hand on river). Of course, if you're certain that he has a Q, etc, you could always try bluffing him off the hand with another bet. However, my experience with low limit holdem suggests to me that he is very likely to call you down here, especially with another player in the pot. |
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