Online Poker Forum - Razz Beat of the Month?

finknik · Pair Joined: 11 Jan 2009 Posts: 35 Location: San Diego, CA

I often complain about bad beats, usually because I can't stand losing to someone who plays the hand so horribly that it makes everyone laugh. I'm sure my complaining of beats at the tables pisses a lot of people off, so sorry about that fellow Razz players. That being said, I strongly feel that people can agree that the following suck-out that took place in last nights $10 Razz MTT may have been one of the worst bad beats you have ever seen. (Note that I was all in on 6th street jumping out of my seat)

Full Tilt Poker Game #11980961838: $10 + $1 Tournament (89624404), Table 5 - 200/400 Ante 30 - Limit Razz - 2:43:25 ET - 2009/05/02
Seat 1: monader (1,209)
Seat 2: Keebz27 (3,635)
Seat 3: talanhugh (3,893)
Seat 5: onetuffwillie (4,843)
Seat 6: finknik (1,184)
Seat 7: shanner42 (2,520)
Seat 8: glusch (4,282)
monader antes 30
Keebz27 antes 30
talanhugh antes 30
onetuffwillie antes 30
finknik antes 30
shanner42 antes 30
glusch antes 30
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to monader [2s]
Dealt to Keebz27 [5d]
Dealt to talanhugh [Ah]
Dealt to onetuffwillie [6h]
Dealt to finknik [2d 3h] [As]
Dealt to shanner42 [8s]
Dealt to glusch [6d]
shanner42 is high with [8s]
shanner42 brings in for 50
glusch folds
monader calls 50
Keebz27 folds
talanhugh folds
onetuffwillie calls 50
finknik completes it to 200
shanner42 folds
monader calls 150
onetuffwillie calls 150
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to monader [2s] [8c]
Dealt to onetuffwillie [6h] [Ks]
Dealt to finknik [2d 3h As] [6c]
finknik bets 200
monader calls 200
onetuffwillie calls 200
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to monader [2s 8c] [Qh]
Dealt to onetuffwillie [6h Ks] [8d]
Dealt to finknik [2d 3h As 6c] [Qc]
finknik bets 400
monader calls 400
onetuffwillie calls 400
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to monader [2s 8c Qh] [7s]
Dealt to onetuffwillie [6h Ks 8d] [4h]
Dealt to finknik [2d 3h As 6c Qc] [4s]
finknik bets 354, and is all in
monader raises to 379, and is all in
onetuffwillie calls 379
monader shows [9d 6s 2s 8c Qh 7s]
onetuffwillie shows [Ac 3c 6h Ks 8d 4h]
finknik shows [2d 3h As 6c Qc 4s]
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to monader [9d 6s 2s 8c Qh 7s] [9c]
Dealt to onetuffwillie [Ac 3c 6h Ks 8d 4h] [2c]
Dealt to finknik [2d 3h As 6c Qc 4s] [4d]
monader shows [9d 6s 2s 8c Qh 7s 9c] 9,8,7,6,2
onetuffwillie shows [Ac 3c 6h Ks 8d 4h 2c] 6,4,3,2,A
onetuffwillie wins the side pot (50) with 6,4,3,2,A
finknik shows [2d 3h As 6c Qc 4s 4d] 6,4,3,2,A
onetuffwillie ties for the main pot (1,861) with 6,4,3,2,A
finknik ties for the main pot (1,861) with 6,4,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,772 Main pot 3,722. Side pot 50. | Rake 0
Seat 1: monader showed [9d 6s 2s 8c Qh 7s 9c] and lost with 9,8,7,6,2
Seat 2: Keebz27 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: talanhugh folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: onetuffwillie showed [Ac 3c 6h Ks 8d 4h 2c] and won (1,911) with 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 6: finknik showed [2d 3h As 6c Qc 4s 4d] and won (1,861) with 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 7: shanner42 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: glusch folded on 3rd St.

finknik · Pair Joined: 11 Jan 2009 Posts: 35 Location: San Diego, CA

As you can see, I was short stacked, less than half the average chips. If I won this hand, I would have been in much better shape and also have some breathing room. When I saw that my opponent had caught one of the 2 remaining 2's in the deck, I gave up. I raised all my chips the hand afterward, figuring that if I couldn't win with 6432A, the second best possible hand in Razz, then I might as well say screw this. Sometimes you can just tell that Full Tilt isn't going to let you win that day.

I might also note that I went back and calculated the odds. On 6th street, I had no chance of losing. The worst that could happen was if my opponent hit a 2 on 7th street, which would split the pot. The odds of this happening? 2.99%. Odds calculated at www.propokertools.com

traprock · Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:34 am Post subject:

i don't see this as a bad beat at all.
onetuff had two good hole cards to start with.
by the time you got to 5th street he might as well complete the betting, you guys are basicly all in and he's only risking about a third of his stack.
with a chance to knock out two, he was playing smart.

never go on tilt playing razz. with your chip stack after that hand patience is key. playing short stacked sucks but mounting a comeback is not out of the realm of possibilities. this is one reason i like razz. when the limits get crazy you can move up amazingly fast.

finknik · Pair Joined: 11 Jan 2009 Posts: 35 Location: San Diego, CA

I never said I thought he played the hand poorly. I'm just saying the fact he only had a %3 chance of even sharing that pot with me is a bad beat. It is extremely rare to see a %3 chance win. That's the equivalent of a seriously bad runner runner in NL Holdem. In other words, when someone hits a two outer, yes, it's a bad beat.

Karmastang · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject:

Here's what I just ran into... makes me want to shoot myself in the foot. Then again, it was a freeroll... but still... no one at the table had a clue what they were doing and I kept getting sucked out on by players betting with pairs and pictures showing.. ridiculous.

Full Tilt Poker Game #13556039360: $100 Freeroll (100057846), Table 72 - 50/100 Ante 10 - Limit Razz - 18:10:49 ET - 2009/07/22
Seat 1: fzzybnny4 (3,900)
Seat 2: chetara10 (1,190)
Seat 3: aitchison85 (1,345), is sitting out
Seat 4: 54Cameron (2,335)
Seat 5: KarmaStang (1,000)
Seat 6: gurg (1,470)
Seat 7: mauntinman (1,265)
Seat 8: LadyChi (890), is sitting out
fzzybnny4 antes 10
chetara10 antes 10
aitchison85 antes 10
54Cameron antes 10
KarmaStang antes 10
gurg antes 10
mauntinman antes 10
LadyChi antes 10
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to fzzybnny4 [7c]
Dealt to chetara10 [Ts]
Dealt to aitchison85 [4s]
Dealt to 54Cameron [Kc]
Dealt to KarmaStang [2c 3h] [6c]
Dealt to gurg [Ah]
Dealt to mauntinman [9d]
Dealt to LadyChi [Td]
54Cameron is high with [Kc]
54Cameron brings in for 15
KarmaStang completes it to 50
gurg calls 50
mauntinman folds
LadyChi folds
fzzybnny4 raises to 100
chetara10 raises to 150
aitchison85 folds
54Cameron folds
KarmaStang raises to 200
gurg calls 150
fzzybnny4 calls 100
chetara10 calls 50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to fzzybnny4 [7c] [7h]
Dealt to chetara10 [Ts] [5s]
Dealt to KarmaStang [2c 3h 6c] [3d]
Dealt to gurg [Ah] [Qh]
KarmaStang bets 50
gurg folds
fzzybnny4 calls 50
chetara10 raises to 100
KarmaStang raises to 150
fzzybnny4 raises to 200
chetara10 calls 100
KarmaStang calls 50
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to fzzybnny4 [7c 7h] [7s]
Dealt to chetara10 [Ts 5s] [Jc]
Dealt to KarmaStang [2c 3h 6c 3d] [4d]
KarmaStang bets 100
fzzybnny4 calls 100
chetara10 raises to 200
KarmaStang raises to 300
fzzybnny4 raises to 400
chetara10 calls 200
KarmaStang calls 100
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to fzzybnny4 [7c 7h 7s] [Ad]
Dealt to chetara10 [Ts 5s Jc] [2h]
Dealt to KarmaStang [2c 3h 6c 3d 4d] [3s]
chetara10 has 15 seconds left to act
chetara10 bets 100
KarmaStang: wow this is ridiculous..
KarmaStang raises to 190, and is all in
fzzybnny4 calls 190
chetara10 raises to 290
fzzybnny4 calls 100
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to KarmaStang [2c 3h 6c 3d 4d 3s] [3c]
chetara10 bets 90, and is all in
fzzybnny4 calls 90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chetara10 shows [9s 5h Ts 5s Jc 2h 5d] J,T,9,5,2
fzzybnny4 mucks
chetara10 wins the side pot (380) with J,T,9,5,2
KarmaStang mucks
chetara10 wins the main pot (3,265) with J,T,9,5,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,645 Main pot 3,265. Side pot 380. | Rake 0
Seat 1: fzzybnny4 mucked [Ks 5c 7c 7h 7s Ad 4h] - K,7,5,4,A
Seat 2: chetara10 showed [9s 5h Ts 5s Jc 2h 5d] and won (3,645) with J,T,9,5,2
Seat 3: aitchison85 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: 54Cameron folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: KarmaStang mucked [3h 3c 6c 3d 4d 3s 2c] - a pair of Threes
Seat 6: gurg folded on 4th St.
Seat 7: mauntinman folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: LadyChi folded on 3rd St.

vegasdave217 · Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject:

5TH STREET ***
Dealt to monader [2s 8c] [Qh]
Dealt to onetuffwillie [6h Ks] [8d]
Dealt to finknik [2d 3h As 6c] [Qc]
finknik bets 400
monader calls 400
onetuffwillie calls 400 ....finknik just one question on 5th street without a made hand and being 1st to act why bet and take a chance of a reraise without a made hand ? very nice hand though but i agree with you it was a bad beat but as previously stated never give up in razz you can easily come back 2 weeks ago tuesday in the 24+2 razz tourney on the 2nd break i was down to 170 chips and ended up finishing 9th never give up in razz ! my grammar sucks but hope you got what i was saying

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