Online Poker Forum - SupTurbo Squeeze play?

DrYumYum · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: SupTurbo Squeeze play?

In normal NL tournaments, squeeze plays are used when one player has raised and a player behind him has already flatted the raise in front of you, but in STs where the action is shove/fold, can you use the same concept on a couple of MP/LP limpers? I have used this a few times when 2-3 people, especially the small blind, limp in and I am in the BB. The limpers almost always have weak holdings like KT or A4 and are seeing if they can see the flop cheap, praying not to get raised. The SB sees all this money in the pot and only has to call half a BB to see the flop so he calls with pot odds in mind. Then I shove 10BB with ATC and neither of the limpers can call with anything not premium because of the people behind them, and then the SB surely has garbage, and mucks it.

Basically, do you guys think it is a +eV play to shove ATC from the BB with a limper or two and a SB overcall? I would normally do the equity calculations, but I think the "squeeze" part of the squeeze play severely cramps the calling range of most players (but not at all to some other players), so I don't really know what a reasonable calling range to assume would be. I think all the money in the pot from limps, and the added folding equity from the squeeze make this a good play, but I'm an ST n00b so what do I know.

HuJwang · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:48 am Post subject:

while this sounds good in theory, the problem is anyone who is bad enough to limp in a super turbo will still end up calling a shove way more often than they "should". people limp/call with stuff like low pairs, AT, KJ, all the effing time in these things. and not just at the small stakes, i see it happen at the $40s and $70s too, when i feel degen enough to play one of these things.

don't legitimize their calls by shoving crap just because they "should" fold.

da da90 · Pair Joined: 17 Jul 2009 Posts: 43

uconnrounder · Two Pair Joined: 13 Jul 2008 Posts: 71

Yeah, there are certain points in the sng where shoving ATC is the perfect way to play, but in the early stages you are definitely going to be costing yourself money. The limpers will snap you off with their crappy hands way too often for it to be profitable. Also, depending on the position that someone limped from, you might be getting trapped by a monster.

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