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mysteriouschef
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:39 am    Post subject: FLHE rate my play 55 bb Reply with quote

No reads, first hand at the table.

Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Converter Tool from

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5Spade, 5Club
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: (4.5 SB) 5Heart, 8Heart, 8Diamond (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO calls

Turn: (5.75 BB) 3Heart (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls

River: (9.75 BB) 6Heart (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls

Total pot: $3.55 (17.75 BB)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks standard to me but i would 3-bet the flop and lead the turn. and no, i'm not slowing down at any point in this hand.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I 3bet the flop don't I just force hands that I want to call out?

I think overs may call 1 bet but not 2 bets.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as played, on the flop you got one fold & one extra bet from the CO. if you raise, you prob get the CO to fold but you get an extra bet from the BTN. of course you don't get to c/r the turn but you still get max bets in on the river.

i suggest 3-betting the flop not because it would have earned you more bets in this particular hand, but because you are out of position and you really want to get as many bets in as possible. if your opponent had three 8s he might not like third heart on the turn and check behind. since you have to go first you may as well make sure that bet goes in.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What AIDD said. Also, I like raising pre here.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So should I just bet/3bet the flop seeing as how I don't know if this board will be raised oop or should I c/r this flop?

If I was in position would you like my line more?

Also, I think a hand like 66-77, 99-TT is more likely here then a 8.

Seeing as how other players hand will have so few outs I don't mind them seeing a turn card for cheap.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont like to raise preflop in this spot personally. chances are i will hate most flops and even if i flop good a lot of donks will peel a card for one small bet, and im oop. c/r on the flop is optimal and chances are the CO will call the extra small bets anyway. you're not raising to protect your hand, your'e raising to get value. just play it straightforward most of the time and occasionally throw a wrinkle in there to confuse them.

in position this is not even a question of what to do on the turn. you either bet or raise. so yes, i don't mind flat calling on the flop occasionally if you feel your opponents are getting a feel for your play. against unknowns however, i just raise it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villain had 86 MHING running like **** lately.

Hope it turns around soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AllInDrawinDead wrote:
i dont like to raise preflop in this spot personally. chances are i will hate most flops and even if i flop good a lot of donks will peel a card for one small bet, and im oop. c/r on the flop is optimal and chances are the CO will call the extra small bets anyway. you're not raising to protect your hand, your'e raising to get value. just play it straightforward most of the time and occasionally throw a wrinkle in there to confuse them.

Raising pre from the BB with lots of bad limpers is really profitable in most spots, because a raise builds the pot so that when you do flop a set, you will win a much larger pot. If you don't flop anything, you can easily c/f.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see your point and i could see doing it occasionally to mix up your play, but as a default i think checking is the lower variance play.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on the amount of limpers I usually check/limp 22-66 and almost always raise 77-AA in this situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysteriouschef wrote:
Depending on the amount of limpers I usually check/limp 22-66 and almost always raise 77-AA in this situation.


+1 I like this.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AllInDrawinDead wrote:
i see your point and i could see doing it occasionally to mix up your play, but as a default i think checking is the lower variance play.

That's why we have a sufficient bankroll. There's a difference between EV and variance.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will call a raise in this spot with 5-5 but i don't raise it myself.

i'm curious enough now to run some calculations on how +EV this play is depending on the number of limpers.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysteriouschef wrote:
Depending on the amount of limpers I usually check/limp 22-66 and almost always raise 77-AA in this situation.


Also I am greatly more likely to raise these hands if I am in position as that will allow me to extract maximum value from it opposed to OOP.
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