Online Poker Forum - Is set mining profitable in limit hold'em?

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The title of the post pretty much says it all, but I wanted to get the opinion of better players than I Smile

cese · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject:

im new to limit but rememebr you need 8:1 on your call for it to be profitable. so against agressive opponents who always go to show down with trash it will def be profitable against tag players maybe not so, its all situational

WhatASurprise · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject:

Post some hands you are unsure about. That question is way to vague to be answered properly.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:32 pm Post subject:

Zavatar · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:20 am Post subject:

I don't have a specific example of play for this question, it was more of a general principle thing. I did not know about the 8:1 odds required, though, so that should dampen the enthusiasm a bit :p
Thanks

David Petina · Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:03 am Post subject:

Zavatar,

Bom Dia. Yes it is situational. Most times with small pairs you want to see a flop for 1 bet, so small pairs usually play better from late position when a few players have already limped in. That said, if you are at a passive table, have a couple of opponents who can't let go of top pair, and are disciplined enough to get away when you miss the flop (which will be most of the time), then you can try to mix in some set mining with middle and smaller pairs from early position.

Dave

mysteriouschef · Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:13 am Post subject:

Also I would need some reads on post flop tendencies. Playing PP can be right even with out the immediate odds if there are implied odds.

DforDissent · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject:

Just like in No Limit, you need to Be The Raiser, that way you aren't JUST hoping to flop a set, you can also cont.bet a flop of no-paint whether you hit it or not and (presuming you already have established your quasi-maniac "can be raising with almost any two cards" image) your opponents will fold their 2 overcards thinking you MIGHT have a set or at least a pair (thus they are 25% to win vs. your 75%)

Call me an optimist, but the last few sessions playing the super-loose live $3/6 LHE game at my local casino, I decided to start RAISING my speculative hands >>> when in HJ/CO/Btn, *if* limped to me <<< and I found that within a half hour or so I appeared so crazy that I get paid off when I hit flops HARD but ALSO (paradoxically, in a way) I get a TON of folds from all those tight-weak AND LOOSE-WEAK players when they miss the flop because they think they are gonna "trap" me, the maniac, so they call my raises really loosely hoping to hit a monster flop vs. my "bluffs", but of course miss like 80% of the time (i.e. they might even fold MIDDLE pair since I might actually "have it" this time).

So I'm an optimist, but with very good results (10PTBB/hour over 12+ hours -- not a big enough sample, obv. but a huge difference from my old way of "investing the minimum, then folding when I miss").

jjc16_1 · High Card Joined: 25 Sep 2009 Posts: 20

The short answer is yes. The long answer is it depends if you know how to use them right.

First off, in a HU situation from one of the blinds against an EP or MP raiser, small pocket pairs can be quite good. A lot of players only raise with something like AJ+ and big PP in these situations so, if you hit your set and he hits something (say top pair), you'll probably make the 8x, especially if you can sucker him into a raising war on the turn.

The other point to remember is that small PP can sometimes be played on their own, especially on a 8 high (or lower) board. If the flop comes out 3-4-7 and you have pocket 66, you're probably +EV against his likely range. Even if he has AA, you're not that much of an underdog on a flop like that -- maybe about 60-40. So, yes.

Also, even better if there are a few callers/limpers ahead of you and you hit your set on a board that's not super drawy.

mrwatts88 · High Card Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Posts: 2

you definately dont need 8:1 to call pre pf. set mining is all about implied odds, what you can get later. call or raise to 2 bets with 22 through 66, more with 77 through AA, depending on the situation.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject:

yes, with the right pot odds. it's not a hand you want to play heads-up for a raise. you have to have multiway action so that when you do hit your set it will be a big pot. get in as cheap as possible with small pp's.

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