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WhatASurprise
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 Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: 1/2 QQ in BvB |
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It's villain's 1st hand, so no reads. He did not post out of the blinds fwiw.
What's the best line here? I'm torn between b/f'ing the turn and checking/calling down. c/f'ing the turn seems weak, and if I c/c this turn, I have to call pretty much any river, no?
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BTN: $40.25
Hero (SB): $41.50
BB: $36.75
UTG: $41.25
CO: $10.25
Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls
Flop: ($8) T A 2 (2 Players)
Hero bets, BB calls
Turn: ($10) K (2 Players)
Hero ? |
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fire_eyes_2k
The Burn Card
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Location: London
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1/2 QQ in BvB |
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Hero gives up and adds another mouse to the collection in the pool outside. You beat nothing. Try a bet/fold if you think you can represent the A and the J doesnt scare you, but I'm not a fan personally, esp. readless. Firstly an A hits his range well, and second, if he's calling the flop with a K he aint folding when one hits. Sometimes you're folding the best hand to an underpair or JT which has got himself in a whole world of trouble, but checking the turn will usually lead to him checking behind you if you're ahead.
C/F the turn, and if he checks behind you, bet/fold the river for value maybe? |
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WhatASurprise
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| Yeah, the reason for this is that I feel his preflop range is pretty wide, and people just peel a ridiculous amount of flops really lightly at this limit, which is why I felt that c/f'ing the turn was weakish. An average unknown also has a tendency to turn really weak hands(like let's say 66 on this board) into a weird mixture of a really thin value bet and a bluff, ime. |
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jjc16_1
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Joined: 25 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:08 am Post subject: Re: 1/2 QQ in BvB |
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| WhatASurprise wrote: |
It's villain's 1st hand, so no reads. He did not post out of the blinds fwiw.
What's the best line here? I'm torn between b/f'ing the turn and checking/calling down. c/f'ing the turn seems weak, and if I c/c this turn, I have to call pretty much any river, no?
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BTN: $40.25
Hero (SB): $41.50
BB: $36.75
UTG: $41.25
CO: $10.25
Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls
Flop: ($8) T A 2 (2 Players)
Hero bets, BB calls
Turn: ($10) K (2 Players)
Hero ? |
I would personally bet again, just to see where I'm at. You can't assume that the A hit him on the flop, especially since he only called on the flop. He could be doing this with a hand like AK and going for value, or he could be afraid of the A as much as you are.
As for the turn, bet again. If he has something like JJ, he will fold. If he has something like KK, AK, AA, 1010, he will definitely raise, both for value and to protect his hand against a straight draw. If he has anything else (like AQ), you might be able to get him to fold it.
Also, you can't assume that he has the nuts here. The 3bet and cap before the flop could mean that he is putting you on a steal and that he is going to float and try to resteal one of the later streets. If you check, he'll bet out and you'll be forced to fold, period. If you bet, and he raises, you fold. If he calls again, check the river and try to see a showdown for cheap. |
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jjc16_1
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: Re: 1/2 QQ in BvB |
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| WhatASurprise wrote: |
It's villain's 1st hand, so no reads. He did not post out of the blinds fwiw.
What's the best line here? I'm torn between b/f'ing the turn and checking/calling down. c/f'ing the turn seems weak, and if I c/c this turn, I have to call pretty much any river, no?
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BTN: $40.25
Hero (SB): $41.50
BB: $36.75
UTG: $41.25
CO: $10.25
Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls
Flop: ($8) T A 2 (2 Players)
Hero bets, BB calls
Turn: ($10) K (2 Players)
Hero ? |
Um, c/f seems about right. Amazingly, if the guy has pocket 66, at this level, he's very likely to check behind all the way to showdown. I might do that, if it were me in the pot.
However, I think that the better option is to fire another bet and then to c/f the river. The range that people will 3-bet you is pretty light here (pocket 66) and he might not like the board any more than you do. If he c/r the turn, fold immediately. If he calls, c/f the river.
Sorry, just hit a bad board. QQ is awesome, but vulnerable post flop. |
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