Online Poker Forum - what do you guys think

craigo6x · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject: what do you guys think

I'm tourney chip leader when this comes up:

Full Tilt Poker Game #13149209802: $3 + $0.30 Knockout (97384544), Table 14 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:46:26 ET - 2009/07/01
Seat 1: BMmjcFRO (4,675)
Seat 2: craigo6x (25,079)
Seat 3: AonlyonlyA (7,720)
Seat 4: manbearpa (11,585)
Seat 5: googem (6,945)
Seat 6: wtf2412 (2,870)
Seat 7: servino (16,064)
Seat 8: reddeizel (5,400)
Seat 9: Notorious DAWG (2,065)
BMmjcFRO antes 50
craigo6x antes 50
AonlyonlyA antes 50
manbearpa antes 50
googem antes 50
wtf2412 antes 50
servino antes 50
reddeizel antes 50
Notorious DAWG antes 50
wtf2412 posts the small blind of 200
servino posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to craigo6x [Jc As]
reddeizel folds
Notorious DAWG folds
BMmjcFRO folds
craigo6x raises to 1,200
AonlyonlyA folds
manbearpa folds
googem raises to 6,895, and is all in
wtf2412 folds
servino folds
craigo6x has 15 seconds left to act
craigo6x has requested TIME
craigo6x ...

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject:

Aelfinn · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject:

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 8194

Barring any read, I lean toward fold over calling. If he's been 3-bet shoving frequently and not showing anything, I look him up.

craigo6x · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:

I did fold-didn't like it, but felt it was best.

cubbies760 · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 5140

folding seems better, but a call isn't completely awful esp if youve been overly active and/or he's been 3bet shoving frequently.
nonetheless, folding is far better. i raise to slightly less to begin with too fwiw

lovebeefstew · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject:

Yeh pretty sure folding is good here.

junkbutton · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:41 am Post subject:

I agree... A lot of times people get big chip stacks and they think it's their job now to call every small stack's shove with any better than average hand. Pretty soon they're not the big stack anymore... good laydown.

lovebeefstew · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:03 am Post subject:

I just read this again, and realised OP open raised. I misread previously thinking that OP was facing a raise and a reraise. This is actually a snapcall and it's not even close. OP has invested 1200 and is facing a shove for 6800 which only reflects like a 5th of his stack when getting about 1.8-1 to call. Anything but a call here is really horrible imo. Even if the vilain is the nittiest player on the planet I still call here.

Having said that, I raise smaller PF for sure. Somewhere around 900-1000 PF is good which would make a fold closer, but I'm still calling all day here and it really isn't that close.

lenka12345 · High Card Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 6

call vs this bad player

bigpairde · Moderator Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 10117

I would raise less pre (999 or 1001)

I fold without any further information.
villian's M is low but not yet desperately now so he doesn't NEED to shove pretty light (doesn't mean he doesn't do it,..but w/o any more info I am giving him credit for that)

that's why I think we are behind his shoving range which I would roughly estimate as follows:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

140,408,928 games 0.005 secs 28,081,785,600 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.705% 33.98% 06.73% 47705441 9447796.00 { AsJc }
Hand 1: 59.295% 52.57% 06.73% 73807895 9447796.00 { 99+, ATs+, KQs, QJs, ATo+ }

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on the other hand:
if we raised a lot prior to this hand or villian shoved a lot I would tend to look him up.

without any read I would think a call could be pretty spewy and it is a snapfold for me

bigpairde · Moderator Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 10117

craigo6x · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:53 am Post subject:

lovebeefstew · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject:

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