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keegs22
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Luck is your friend. Wish it didn't hate me so  |
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DforDissent
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Location: testing my theory that my "best game to 100% focus on" is HORSE mtts
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| bailey1986 wrote: |
In omaha AAKKds is the nuts as far as starting hands go, or debatably AAJTds because of the more probable staright possibilities... Personally I'm always happy to wake up with a hand like AKQT or AKJT, doubles suited obviously, but basically you want to be playing hands where all four of your cards will work together, and are likely to give you a massive draw should you see a flop in the same range as your hand.
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Some stats for those who are curious:
vs. a random 4-card hand... ("ds" is double-suited, obviously with the higher pair being suited with each of the last 2 cards)
AAJTds 70.53% http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/simulate.jsp?g=oh&b=&d=&h1=AsAcJsTc&h2=****&h3=&h4=&h5=
AAKKds 70.71% http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/simulate.jsp?g=oh&b=&d=&h1=AsAcKsKc&h2=****&h3=&h4=&h5=
but btw changing the JT to QJ is almost the same (69.79%) as the # of straights you can hit is reduced BUT your 2pair is higher if you miss your set. Ditto for QT (69.88%). Then again, KKQQds is also really close with 68.38% so it really does come down to the range of your opponent(s), i.e. if you are facing an early limp-reraise you would obviously prefer 4 medium suited connected cards than the normally-awesome KKQQds.
Something to think about... |
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Danduy
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Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Location: Tessenderlo (Belgium)
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Today played: i have no HH at work but i'll give it a go.
6 handed PLO 0,25 - 0,50:
UTG (aprox. $ 85) raises almost every hand to pot size incl. this one raise to 0,85).
sb: me (aprox $45)
All folds to me with just a call with AcQcQsJs
Flop comes: 5cKc10s (pot is 1,95)
I bet 1,95 and my opponent raises pot size, i reraise etc until the money is in.
He turned over 5h5d6c7c. Just a bare set with no redraws (drawing dead to a flush).
I have nothing yet except a pair of queens, but with this kind of hand i'm glad to put the money in there.
- Nut straight draw
- Nut flush draw
- Backdoor flush draw
- A queen would be good
Even if he had kings, only my two queens would no longer be outs.
He called me a luck box when i made the nut straight with on the turn and the river gave me the nut flush. Well yeah, i'm lucky the board didn't pair but then again, i had more outs then him, twice.
He put all the money in there with just the bottom set only hoping for the turn or river to pair the board and me not having clubs.
This is not being unlucky, but poor play imo. As said before, he would have been lucky if the board paired.
People do say they get unlucky, but if i see people going in with bottom set or bottom two pair then i'm starting to ask questions about the game here. |
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DforDissent
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Location: testing my theory that my "best game to 100% focus on" is HORSE mtts
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| Danduy wrote: |
Today played: i have no HH at work but i'll give it a go.
People do say they get unlucky, but if i see people going in with bottom set or bottom two pair then i'm starting to ask questions about the game here. |
lately it seems on a scary flop, "bottom set is the new nuts"... I love it, I rarely push Top Two since I know bottom set is almost always out there and would love to go to Shovey Town... so instead I bet-CALL those flops where I have some nice redraws (even if the turn has a half-dozen ways of giving me draws I don't presently have) ... in the off-chance I spike my 4-outer boat, the bottom set thinks HE is good and that I only called his raise cuz I was drawing to a flush or strt and he now filled up... patience is the name of the game, but last night I tripled up at least twice with that kind of scenario, where bottom set thought he was good -- which he only was BEFORE the board paired 
PS: re. "starting to ask questions..." Don't Tap The Glass!  |
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HuJwang
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Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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Location: Halifax, NS
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| francois8 wrote: |
Welcome to the forum, always good to have new people talking omaha. One small mistake in your post...
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Say for instance you're holding 5d,6d,7h,8h
bit idealistic here but say the flop brings; 3d,4c,Jh
You're now a huge favourite against most holdings. Any 2, 5, 6, 7 or 8 makes your straight, so that is 16 outs on the flop... |
8 doesn't give you a straight here... only use 2 cards in your hand.
One of the best drawing hands is to hold something like 569T and have the flop be something like 2, 7, 8, rainbow. Then you hit a straight with and 9 or T, and the nut straight with any 4, 5, 6, J. So that would be 8 cards to improve and 16 cards to the nuts.
Combining with flush possibilities can be better, but non-nut flushes (and non-nut straights) can be costly in omaha and difficult to play on the turn. |
you're holding some of your outs remember. you have 13 outs to the nuts, and 6 outs to the 2nd nut straight.
i would prefer to have 69TJ on that board. your total number of outs goes down to 16, but this time all of your outs are to the nuts. |
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