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xGodDogx High Card
Joined: 12 May 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Personally just started to play FTP just a few days ago so i havent had a great increase yet just a few $$$ here and there. but where i made a good bankroll was at PokerStars starting at a measly $5 i won on a free SNG. Within about 7month later brought that over $3100. and cashed out about $2,900 like a month later leaving only $50 in the account. and now im trying FTP to see if i like there service better.
For me some times i play to aggressively tho. playing games i should not be playing like have $1000 in my account and playing a $100+$10 game.
For me i lie sticking to a 1table with what ever ammount like the 7-9 players and just go gold in those tables. Playing kinda aggressivly at the beggining then soon as i win a hand which make me confortable i sit still for a few hands calling and raising when nescarry winning the pots that can be one and i just kinda stroll into the money. Sometimes being agressive at the beggining can be bad too.
I remeber the one days back in the early months had about $390 in the account and had 4 games going at once all 7 or 9 people SNG all being $40 each and each one of those i went out within 10min of the game and thats when i learned that its not always the best thing to do is be aggressive,
For me i kinda believe in making a bankroll fast.... meaning i go into the higher limits when i know i shouldnt, like a normal person would go into a game like mabey at most $10 with about $100 bankroll for me i like popping into the $20-$30games about 1/3 -- 1/4 my money but just depends.
Just play what make you confortable... dont listen to anyones else's advice and just see what fits you. there was times when i was told to drop down in my SNG buy ins and i just dident feel confortable..
And to me it feels like people play better and not so stupid when they have more money on the line.... When i play for a big chunk im like a locked vault i just wont break open without the code.
So like i said, just play to what makes you confortable. |
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8BallBreak High Card
Joined: 30 May 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: |
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I still think I have somewhat limited experience, but I am profitable (check out OPRankings or sharkscope either one). I too have had an issue with cash games, I seem to do ok for a bit (though I can go for 50 hands without a single class 1 hand, which makes it difficult to be patient), anyway I'll maybe go from $20 to $35 with KK, then a few hands later will get AK, catch a straight, and lose on the river to a flush or boat, and get stacked. Definately no fun. Anyway...
I see people say, oh do like me, I just bought in for what I felt comfortable with and built it fast... I've heard it before and I truly believe it, you need over a thousand tournaments, or I don't know how many hands that equates to in cash, to determine if you really are making money, or if you're just running good. Personally, I had broken even for a while, or slightly down, on FT, ended up taking some time off, reading Collin Moshman's book Sit and Go Strategy, and then coming back to the $13 I had left. I built that slowly to $727 in a couple of months. But then at that point, I guess I started playing looser, or... well, still not sure exactly what I changed. I did start playing some cash games (played within BR guidelines), and some of it was $5.50 sngs - but I ended up getting as low as $60. Some of that was cash games, I went back down to the $2 sngs, and to basics, and have managed to build back up to $370 or so. Anyway, point being, anyone can run good for a bit. The fact is, if you don't stick to good bankroll management, when, not if you run bad, you're going to go broke.
Like I said, building your roll from $50 to $160 in two weeks (or even $5 to $1000 in a few months) does not really prove a good strategy. It takes time for good and bad runs to even out and prove an upwards trend. Even Chris Ferguson had a horrible run during his $0 to $10,000 project, but in the end, he made it to, what, $28,000 or so?
There was something else I wanted to say but got too busy playing and forgot lol. Anyway, back to the felt...[/u] |
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marcmunday High Card
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 2 Location: Horsham,Victoria AUS
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| In my time here i have found 55+5 sngs and 1/2 omaha rings games are great bankroll builders but you must play tight and smart cos there is alot of donks in them |
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aj502 Pair
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks all for the great replies.
The problem for me, is that i guess the bankroll rules are so strict. I mean isn't it something like you need to have 300 * the buy in for cash games in order to play that limit? Surely it is possibly to make or break these rules at the lower limits. I know you will need a lot to play 0.50 or $1 levels, as well as $1 and $2 levels, but at what decent size roll could i have, before deciding to take a shot at those levels?
If i don't succeed, i won't lost much sleep over it, as i am happy to deposit again, but i am happy to take some risks in order to get where i want. |
I'm not "bragging" or trying to even sound better than "so and so" or whatever, but I started with just a freeroll place ITM 3 months ago...(Like a buck and change) and started playing those .01/.02 cap games.
I did get in at the right time or something because in a week or so I had 4-5 bucks.
Lucky no bad beats OR calls on my half.
Then I bumped up to those 9 player $1.25 SnGs and more or less stuck with them.
They not too long, have a good payoff percentage (top 33%) and you don't run into the "all in"ers too often.
Had to keep good play up, enough to keep another buy in, because I really didn't like (and still don't) the play at the penny ring games. (ironically I'm in one now...Meh)
STill, play decent there and slowly move up...Then try to satallite into bigger games (Double Deuce has a .60 Sat that enters the top 5 [$22 entry] - usually like 70-90 players)...Don't go overboard on them if you don't get in because their "payout" is a less percentage of players. Just try to reload at the SnGs and go for it again.
Daily Dollar, or even a regular $1 tourney has a good payoff as well. Heck, try to win it of course, but get ITM and that'll build ya a bit.
Eventually you'll get a higher place and that'll give your bank a boost.
Plenty of other easy and cheap Sats to get into...
Then you can do the "other" freerolls" (not the $100 one[s]).
i.e. Make a point a day and you're in the Iron Man freeroll for like a $5k proze pool.
Do those silly Sit and Learns and be in the top 2k of 'em and you're in another 1 or 2k freeroll (actually a Sat to one, but there's mant SnL Sats so you can get in easy).
SnG "Madness" last weekend as well can get you into one if ya won 2 SnGs. Pays out the top 1800 players - 1st gets $5k, 1800th gets 5 bucks. I'm gonna try for the 5k of course, but 5 bucks I'll take too.
That's what I did and cashed in a few but still stuck with playing the $1.25 SnGs for the "main" game. (I still mainly only play that limit)
The real "trick" is to play for cheap (i.e. cheap Sat) then cash in on a bigger tourney.
The Double Deuce has been my "cash" tourney, and I've never spent more than $6 getting into it.
Might be a faster way, but that involves pure luck IMO and I'm not willing to go that route.
Sounds more like I'm grinding, but I have fun at then so it doesn't feel like it.
I just don't go up to "higher" limits and stay there when I lose...Done a few $3-4-5 tourney/SnGs/Sats, won a couple as well. But f I lose a few in a row, I'll drop right back down.
SO far I'm ranging between $110 and $150 in my acct and have yet to deposit anything.
(DEFINATELY not bragging my bank, so no laughing)
I imagine when (being an optimist) I bump it past $200-250 I'll move up the range of buy ins I play...
Kinda using that Ferguson $1-10k thing as an inspiration AND as a guideline as well.
So as long as you're having fun, stick to the games in your limits and try to build it from there.
I used the $1 SnGs/Tourneys, but whatever, do whichever suits you. Just don't put your whole "bank" at risk in a "one shotter". It'd suck to start over.
Or play when tired or in a bad mood...That'll screw up your game, at least it does mine...Make ME play exactly like the type of player I want to play against!
Heck, that's most of my motivation: I HATE that freeroll....Almost as bad as those cheap rebuy tourneys....
Just my opinion/suggestion(s)
Good Luck!
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luckyman365 High Card
Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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as much as i play i believe it's possible! but u know it needs hard work, nice cards and some luck too
hope we all we have about 10000$ cash on fult tilt and not just 1000$  |
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jodep Pair
Joined: 04 Jul 2008 Posts: 43
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| totally possible . I deposited 50$ 1 year ago and made a withdraw of 1600$. Im only playing tourney 5$ and under . Mostly 3$. I play while watching movies and stuff |
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Joyenergizerx High Card
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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I had amazing start here i depost like 50 or 25 i weirdly got it in 2 days up to 300 i thought i was the best and week vakancantion i come back and win another tourney im up to 440 !!! i then started playing bigger and lost em just fkcn all redepossit won another mtt of 2 $ when that redeposit was almost gone to and now keep getting stuck in 100 and 200 $, i had a sick beat today
Flopped flush oppononent top pair off suit gets runner runner full house unbelievable i littery cryed cuz it was a major pot early stage wouold hav gone so far unbelievable
But none the less today i got downhill under 100 $ and now this night i got 2 final tables 6 $ sng 90 bounty behind eachother !!!
Really proud of myself. as im now on 160 again . |
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ohsnapzbrah Message Board Junkie
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 1830 Location: enjoying spring break!!!!!
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not the best player on the forum, and I haven't been here the longest, but here is my method.
I started depositing money in April. At first, I deposited $10 but realized that its just not enough money to handle downswings. Went broke, deposited $50 more. Stayed about break even for 3 weeks, then actually hit back-to-back MTT wins (1 is rare enough as it is), increasing my $50 BR to about $250. While at the $50, I only played .01/.02 and $1 MTTs. The play here is aweful, but if you are a good player, most of the time you can tell when you're beat at these limits. I'm actually in the process right now of knowing that I am beat but having to confirm it by seeing the opponents cards.
Anyways, with the $100 BR (withdrew $100, gave money to my roommate who allowed me to read his Harrington books) I felt safe and comfortable to play .02/.05NLHE. Also increased to playing $2 MTTs, with an occassional shot at $3MTTs. This lasted for about a month and a half, pretty much staying at the $100, until one night was completely on tilt. I was still playing A-game poker, but I was entering every event that I could and playing as many tables as I could. Until I hit 1st in a rebuy event for $310.
I withdrew $150 from the win, leaving me with about $200. Got lucky and finished 6th in a $2 MTT and increased the BR to $240. At that moment, the worst poker month ever happened for me. I was rolled to play .05/.10 NLHE, so I did. I also moved up to $3 MTTs with an occassional shot at $5 MTTs. Because I was running bad, I wasn't cashing big and my BR started to deplete. I even had to drop down to $2 MTTs and .02/.05NLHE. One night, I got major tilted again, did the same process, but didn't get the tournament win.
This made me have to drop down to .01/.02NLHE with the occassional $1MTT with my $49 BR. The point of this story is to be rolled for whatever games you play. I've had a month where I ran terrible, had 2 nights where I was on complete tilt, and yet I never had to redeposit because I stayed within my BR limits. It's inevitable that everyone will go on tilt, and its inevitable that everyone will run bad for a stretch of time. But staying within the BR, and even dropping down a limit or two will help sustain your BR, and you can look at it as a new challenge should you get bored at your new limits. |
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winlady4 High Card
Joined: 03 Aug 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi, I'm winlady4 and I want to let you know that I need for you to take off my vista account,because they were stloen and I have a new card but cannot reload do to my other 2 account so if u could help me I would appreciate it. |
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MrIncredibleRP Message Board Junkie
Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 1724 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| i havnt got the patience to grind low stakes imo its easier to win bigger buy in tourneys no donks limping in pots and calling every raise u make its nice for ur raises to get some respect |
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Chances_R_Good Banned
Joined: 05 Aug 2009 Posts: 75 Location: Muncie, IN
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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building a bankroll at the low limits is a joke cause Full Tilt's a joke. Way too many inexperienced players playing poker like it's f*cking slots. And there just as many dumb people in $26 and $100 tournies as there are in the low limits.
When you raise 6 times the blind with Aces and some stupid b*tch calls with K,5c and flops trip 5's, you realize Full Tilt's a joke site. |
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LitUp43 Straight
Joined: 03 Aug 2009 Posts: 102 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| If you really want some belief about how to build an online bankroll, try to find the article in BLUFF magazine about Brian Hawkins. He started with a bankroll of $200 and built it to $25K in 30 days on a site called Lock Poker. Without getting into too much detail, it says he built it mostly playing heads up sit'n'gos. He did gamble with it a bit more than most would normally have, playing outside your normal bankroll management, but yes it can be done. (Ps no one thought the 4 minute mile could be run either, good thing Roger Bannister didn't listen.) Hope that helps. |
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CV Rick Straight
Joined: 01 Mar 2009 Posts: 102 Location: Minneapolis
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been doing it on Full Tilt. It's possible and losing to donks isn't the site's fault, nor is it their fault, it's yours. Just keep getting it in with the best hands and over the long run you'll have positive results. Also, learn to fold hands when your read on the donk is that he hit the board hard. |
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ScizoRShocK Full House
Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 158
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| im not braggin but so far ive build a roll from 0 to 610 in about 4months now playing 10nl hu sngs |
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Chris_BGP High Card
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Last night deposited $50.... stuck to the PL .50-1.00 Holdem ring games.... 2 hours racked up $600.
my advice is to just be patient and remember you will ALWAYS get that one big hand that you need to double up... no matter how long you have to wait for it. Sit back and watch for a bit... find out who the loose cannons are and wait for the moment to set the trap. Also remember that your chip stack can play as an advantage to the lower stacks... dont be scared to re-raise or bet on the flop in limit holdem... you will either take down the pot or get raised. When raised... fold and move on to the next hand.
Dont ever get discouraged about folding a hand that hit... The discouragement will haunt you next time you get that hand... remember even though it hit last time its still a bad hand and you should still fold.
Dont get mad on bad beats... like i said in the beginning you will ALWAYS get the one big hand you need to double up...
I personally play a lot of hands in Limit holdem because preflop raises are limited and most people will only call with high cards... people with high pkt pairs will generally raise. if you have 7-8 suited and there is a preflop raise and only a couple players call... if the flop hits low you may want to bet at least 1/2 if not 3/4 the pot.... see what happens. Just remember... when your beat... your beat.
Good Luck! |
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