Online Poker Forum - Check call 7th?

KronX · Pot Committed Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 5072

Call or fold? He didn't bet when he paired his 10.

PokerStars Game #19941766831: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/27 - 15:01:04 (ET)
Table 'Iphiklos IV' 8-max
Seat 1: chash1 ($51.25 in chips)
Seat 2: TAJ'S GIRL ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 3: lalakers ($21.20 in chips)
Seat 4: cold55 ($20.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Call it all ($20.30 in chips)
Seat 6: fenfen55 ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 7: justzw ($18.05 in chips)
Seat 8: da_vince82 ($13.65 in chips)
chash1: posts the ante $0.05
TAJ'S GIRL: posts the ante $0.05
lalakers: posts the ante $0.05
cold55: posts the ante $0.05
Call it all: posts the ante $0.05
fenfen55: posts the ante $0.05
justzw: posts the ante $0.05
da_vince82: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to chash1 [8s]
Dealt to TAJ'S GIRL [6c]
Dealt to lalakers [8c]
Dealt to cold55 [5s]
Dealt to Call it all [3s 8d As]
Dealt to fenfen55 [Ts]
Dealt to justzw [Td]
Dealt to da_vince82 [Kc]
cold55: brings in for $0.25
Call it all: calls $0.25
fenfen55: folds
fenfen55 is sitting out
justzw: calls $0.25
da_vince82: folds
chash1: folds
TAJ'S GIRL: folds
lalakers: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to cold55 [5s] [7h]
Dealt to Call it all [3s 8d As] [Kd]
Dealt to justzw [Td] [9d]
chash1 is sitting out
Call it all: bets $0.50
justzw: calls $0.50
chash1 has returned
cold55: folds
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Call it all [3s 8d As Kd] [Kh]
Dealt to justzw [Td 9d] [2d]
Call it all: bets $1
justzw: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Call it all [3s 8d As Kd Kh] [Jd]
Dealt to justzw [Td 9d 2d] [Th]
Call it all: checks
justzw: checks
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Call it all [3s 8d As Kd Kh Jd] [7c]
Call it all: checks
justzw: bets $1
Call it all: ???

quick98ta · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject:

I would fold here unless he is really being tricky hes got kings beat. Knowing nothing about the player i would think he has trip tens or a flush.

Strasse · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject:

I'd probably lay it down. On another note though, you are betting way too often in these hands you have posted. In that other hand you bet A223, why not check and try to get a free card, you are not that strong in that situation, and at these low limits you hardly ever get people to fold. This hand is even worse. On 4th you hit a total brick with the K, but you still lead out. Kings are not very scary cards in hi/lo, because everyone plays it like razz for the most part.

Zophar · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject:

I'm going to say the errors in this hand started on third street. Razz hands like this suck in S8 and if your not going to represent the A with that garbage you might as well chuck it. As played, c/f 7th.

leemundy · Pair Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 37

My advice to you would be to fold this hand on 3rd street if your just gonna call and not rep the ace. Other than that he is playing too passively to rep a flush on 5th or to rep trips on 6th, unless he is trying for the stupid check/raise that I have been seeing people do lately on 6th when they're in position (morons!). While he did check 6th, it is obvious that by 7th he now has two pair and your not likely to win this pot. So I would just fold this one!!

objbayes · Three of a Kind Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 84

Folding on 3rd is the way to go here, ideally. Although with the A on the door there's a case to be made for completing if the players with low doors are tight. Just calling is the worst thing you can do.

The call on the river...doesn't look good. You gotta figure he might have hit the flush or 2 pair (assuming he wasn't sandbagging to make sure he gets at least one bet in cause he thinks you'll fold on 6th if he bets). 9s, 2s and ds are super live in this hand, plus whatever he might hold in the hole. 7 ds, 3 9s, 3 2s, plus say 4 more outs for matching a hole card. That's a solid 17 outs, and not even factoring in the possibility that you might have been dead without improving on 7th. 17 cards out you can see so even if he just had the bare TT on his board on 6th you're about 50/50, and you're getting about 5:1 odds on the call.

I'd say there's about a 2/3 chance you were beat on 6th, either because he already had the flush, set or 2 pair (this is factoring in the check). This number is highly player dependent, so it can vary with how you read his proclivities, but 2/3 sounds like a nice round number (for a good player I'd say this is much higher since he wouldn't play the T on 3rd at all without 2 baby ds in the hole, a pair in the hole or a T in the hole, so much closer to 3/4, 4/5 or even higher).

But sticking with 2/3, and the fact that his 1/2 to hit even if he didn't have you on 6th, you're 5:1 to win the pot, which is exactly the odds you were getting. Bottom line:

If you think this player is any good at all, fold.

If you think he's terrible:

If you think this player is at all likely to bluff here, call. Otherwise, fold.

objbayes · Three of a Kind Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 84

oh yeah, forgot about the 2 remaining Ts. that's 19 outs. Even worse, but doesn't change the analysis much.

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