Online Poker Forum - Play according to and questions about the "Bible"

dl_m0nk · Last edited by dl_m0nk on Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:39 pm; edited 1 time in total

Ever since FTP added horse I've been in love with stud8. I'd usually play at the 100/200 level and profit about 2K once in a while but ever since I bought SuperSystem my games turned around. I started making about 5K consistently and decided to move up to the 500/1000 level where I've made 21K over the past two times. The one idea thats propelled my game to the next level is the phrase,

'Raise with the hands you want to play heads-up so it has a better chance of holding up and slow play the hands you want a lot of people in so you can get as much money in there.'

Now I want to show three hands for now. More will follow later.

1st: A hand according to Sklansky that I want to raise and get as many people out as I can. This is play chippies so fat chance of that but I got to play right. Shoot, thats ok if I hit my hand they can throw their money in all they want.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9827773013: Table Play Chip 2143 - 500/1000 Ante 100 - Limit Stud H/L - 1:06:34 ET - 2009/01/03
Seat 1: FreGeo (140,301)
Seat 2: FRAMONTE (1,017,000)
Seat 3: joji1622 (86,450)
Seat 4: EasyMoney33 (219,625)
Seat 5: Sly Sue1 (15,481)
Seat 6: jimv705 (33,225)
Seat 7: dl_m0nk (50,000)
Seat 8: vrmntcllr (4,450)
jimv705 antes 100
FreGeo antes 100
dl_m0nk antes 100
EasyMoney33 antes 100
FRAMONTE antes 100
Sly Sue1 antes 100
vrmntcllr antes 100
joji1622 antes 100
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to FreGeo [Th]
Dealt to FRAMONTE [Kc]
Dealt to joji1622 [Qh]
Dealt to EasyMoney33 [9c]
Dealt to Sly Sue1 [6h]
Dealt to jimv705 [4h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [8c 5s] [4c]
HMMMMM, first hand I get is a borderline low draw. Have to thin the field as much as possible so this lo holds up. I was thinking my opponents were pegging me as kinda crazy and just wanting to assert my presence as this is the first hand I get when I sit down.
Dealt to vrmntcllr [5h]
dl_m0nk is low with [4c]
dl_m0nk completes it to 500
vrmntcllr calls 500
FreGeo calls 500
FRAMONTE folds
EasyMoney33 stands up
joji1622 calls 500
EasyMoney33 folds
Sly Sue1 calls 500
jimv705 calls 500
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to FreGeo [Th] [Kh]
Dealt to joji1622 [Qh] [Js]
Dealt to Sly Sue1 [6h] [Jh]
Dealt to jimv705 [4h] [8s]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [8c 5s 4c] [2h]
Dealt to vrmntcllr [5h] [Jd]
YES! I catch good while my opponents catch OK. I peg them for 1 pair or str8 draw. I think I'm gonna stick with this hand till the end.
FreGeo checks
joji1622 checks
Sly Sue1 checks
jimv705 checks
dl_m0nk bets 500
vrmntcllr calls 500
FreGeo folds
joji1622 calls 500
Sly Sue1 calls 500
jimv705 calls 500
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to joji1622 [Qh Js] [3c]
Dealt to Sly Sue1 [6h Jh] [7h]
Dealt to jimv705 [4h 8s] [Qd]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [8c 5s 4c 2h] [7s]
BINGO! I at least have one side of the pot. Pop and re-pop if need be.
Dealt to vrmntcllr [5h Jd] [4d]
joji1622 checks
Sly Sue1 checks
jimv705 checks
dl_m0nk bets 1,000
vrmntcllr has been disconnected
vrmntcllr folds
vrmntcllr has reconnected
joji1622 calls 1,000
Sly Sue1 calls 1,000
jimv705 calls 1,000
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to joji1622 [Qh Js 3c] [Ac]
Dealt to Sly Sue1 [6h Jh 7h] [Ks]
Dealt to jimv705 [4h 8s Qd] [Qc]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [8c 5s 4c 2h 7s] [Tc]
jimv705 checks
dl_m0nk bets 1,000
joji1622 calls 1,000
Sly Sue1 calls 1,000
jimv705 calls 1,000
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [8c 5s 4c 2h 7s Tc] [6s]
Shocked

BAM! SCOOOOOP! LOL!
jimv705 checks
dl_m0nk bets 1,000
joji1622 calls 1,000
Sly Sue1 calls 1,000
jimv705 folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dl_m0nk shows [8c 6s 4c 2h 7s Tc 5s] a straight, Eight high, for high and 7,6,5,4,2, for low
joji1622 mucks
Sly Sue1 mucks
dl_m0nk wins the high pot (8,650) with a straight, Eight high
I ty
dl_m0nk wins the low pot (8,650) with 7,6,5,4,2
AND I ty
Sly Sue1 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17,300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: FreGeo folded on 4th St.
Seat 2: FRAMONTE folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: joji1622 mucked [Ah Td Qh Js 3c Ac 9h] - HI: a pair of Aces
Seat 4: EasyMoney33 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: Sly Sue1 mucked [Ts 6d 6h Jh 7h Ks 2d] - HI: a pair of Sixes
Seat 6: jimv705 folded on 7th St.
Seat 7: dl_m0nk showed [8c 6s 4c 2h 7s Tc 5s] and won (17,300) with HI: a straight, Eight high; LO: 7,6,5,4,2
Seat 8: vrmntcllr folded on 5th St.

2nd:A hand I want to play with as much people as possible.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9704177922: Table Play Chip 2141 - 500/1000 Ante 100 - Limit Stud H/L - 22:52:43 ET - 2008/12/26
Seat 1: loffen3 (11,691)
Seat 2: naldnald (12,325)
Seat 3: kentmayview (17,612)
Seat 4: SeaGullChick (54,725)
Seat 5: dl_m0nk (41,613)
Seat 7: 1RATS (38,349)
Seat 8: rjh47 (30,338), is sitting out
SeaGullChick antes 100
1RATS antes 100
naldnald antes 100
dl_m0nk antes 100
loffen3 antes 100
kentmayview antes 100
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to loffen3 [8h]
Dealt to naldnald [5c]
Dealt to kentmayview [Js]
Dealt to SeaGullChick [9h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [3h 4s] [As]
Alright, I start nearly perfect...dang heart. I feel pretty good about at least getting low so I let them all in so they can contribute to my stack.
Dealt to 1RATS [8c]
naldnald is low with [5c]
naldnald brings in for 150
kentmayview calls 150
SeaGullChick folds
dl_m0nk calls 150
1RATS calls 150
loffen3 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to naldnald [5c] [Qd]
Dealt to kentmayview [Js] [Qc]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [3h 4s As] [6c]
OK, any 2, 5, 7, 8 for low, runners for scoop (low probability of that though)
Dealt to 1RATS [8c] [Kd]
dl_m0nk bets 500
1RATS calls 500
naldnald folds
kentmayview calls 500
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to kentmayview [Js Qc] [Ah]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [3h 4s As 6c] [3c]
Thats ok, I still feel good, I'll check or call.
Dealt to 1RATS [8c Kd] [9s]
kentmayview bets 1,000
dl_m0nk calls 1,000
1RATS calls 1,000
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to kentmayview [Js Qc Ah] [Th]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [3h 4s As 6c 3c] [6d]
Now things get interesting. I might have the best high. I gotta bet out just in case I don't get my low or if someone gets a higher 2 pair. I'm not too afraid about Kent possibly getting his K
Dealt to 1RATS [8c Kd 9s] [4d]
dl_m0nk bets 1,000
1RATS calls 1,000
kentmayview calls 1,000
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [3h 4s As 6c 3c 6d] [8d]
There it is!
dl_m0nk bets 1,000
1RATS folds
kentmayview raises to 2,000
dl_m0nk raises to 3,000
I know, pointless raise, call with rats out now. I thought Kent might have been trying to muscle me out or thinking I didn't hit my low.
kentmayview raises to 4,000
dl_m0nk calls 1,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kentmayview shows [Ks Ts Js Qc Ah Th 2h] a straight, Ace high, for high
dl_m0nk shows [8d 4s As 6c 3c 6d 3h] two pair, Sixes and Threes, for high and 8,6,4,3,A, for low
kentmayview wins the high pot (8,350) with a straight, Ace high
dl_m0nk wins the low pot (8,350) with 8,6,4,3,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16,700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: loffen3 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: naldnald folded on 4th St.
Seat 3: kentmayview showed [Ks Ts Js Qc Ah Th 2h] and won (8,350) with HI: a straight, Ace high
Seat 4: SeaGullChick folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: dl_m0nk showed [8d 4s As 6c 3c 6d 3h] and won (8,350) with HI: two pair, Sixes and Threes; LO: 8,6,4,3,A
Seat 7: 1RATS folded on 7th St.
Seat 8: rjh47 is sitting out

3rd hand I can't find a good example of but it has to do with hands like a pair of K's to J's with a paint kicker. Sklansky says there is "no room" in stud8 for these hands. At first I didn't want to believe so I played those type of hands on PS and FTP. I think I only won about 10-20% of those hands outta 10 or 20 (yeah, not a big sample size and no evidence, just educated guess). There is a part somewhere in that section that says you can't play stud8 like its stud or razz. Its a different type of game. I'm starting to believe it.

For right now I feel like I'm playing this game like its razz because I'm getting more success playing that way. So, when should I try for high? Is it only worth it when I have a low draw and a 2-6 to 4-8 str8 draw? Is it ok to once in a while call with jq10 but of course fold to a raise? Lets say I have a KKx and three opponents show a 9, 8 and....a J. Most would raise in this situation but would it be correct? Would it be better off to fold and wait for a hand like 773? At a level where people cant find the fold button it probably would be. I don't wanna be chasing sets or two pair when people are willing to chase sets or better. Can I really call any cards higher than an 8 if I start out with a str8 (no-gappers or 1-gappers?)or flush draw? I find it hard to believe I can't play any paint and only play low cards, waiting for a rare scoop oppurtunity while the suckers play their paint and holds. Don't stoop down to their level and don't fix what ain't broke I guess.

Please, I need advice on playing high cards, str8 draws and flush draws. Is Sklansky right or are there exceptions to the rule like where I can speculate in late position with no raises. I'd like to see what everyone all says about playing for high, especially from you Strasse because you seem to have a good handle on the game. Thanks!

Zophar · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject:

Hand 1 is bad. It's incredibly razzy and very hard to scoop with, let alone make a real low. You shouldn't be open completing this either(basically you should never be open completing anything, aside from a few rare circumstances). On 5th you say you have one side of the pot. However, you only have a rough eight, which can easily get cracked. If you look at the results and play of this hand as a positive, you will have problems moving up to real money.

'Raise with the hands you want to play heads-up so it has a better chance of holding up and slow play the hands you want a lot of people in so you can get as much money in there.' This quote doesn't pertain to your hand as it's very weak on all levels.

Hand 2- Never limp this. Complete and bet every street. Limping A door cards is just bad imo for starters. It's a very strong hand that plays well multiway or headsup , so the result of any 3rd street aggression is irrelevant. You want value. Also, at these stakes, isolating really isn't an option, as people don't fold. So go for the value. I jam is no question at $5/$10. One last time, value.

Any high PP can be played, you just have to know when. If 3 low doors call and an A completes ahead of me(or almost anytime an A completes-aside from familiar players), go ahead and chuck the big PP. High PP's are slight favorites vs. 3 low cards, but hand reading is critical to getting the proper value out of them. High connectors, maybe aside from (98)7, are junk.

Low razzy hands should be junked as well imo. Especially the crappy 8's, like 823r, 842r, etc. Even most or all of the A8x hands should be tossed until you understand the game better. Really focus on good wheel hands, AAW(then you can move into AAX's as they are only slightly easier to play than KKX), suited lows and single gutshots.

dl_m0nk · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject:

TY for your reply Zophar!

Zophar · Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:16 am Post subject:

dl_m0nk · Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject:

OK, here's the 773 hand I mentioned. With this hand Sklansky tells me to raise, get as many people out as possible so it has a better chance of holding up.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9704225270: Table Play Chip 2141 - 500/1000 Ante 100 - Limit Stud H/L - 22:55:59 ET - 2008/12/26
Seat 1: loffen3 (9,741)
Seat 2: naldnald (10,575)
Seat 3: kentmayview (22,587)
Seat 4: SeaGullChick (55,300)
Seat 5: dl_m0nk (42,863)
Seat 7: 1RATS (35,249)
Seat 8: rjh47 (30,338), is sitting out
dl_m0nk antes 100
SeaGullChick antes 100
loffen3 antes 100
kentmayview antes 100
1RATS antes 100
naldnald antes 100
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to loffen3 [Ks]
Dealt to naldnald [2h]
Dealt to kentmayview [Qc]
Dealt to SeaGullChick [2d]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [7d 7s] [3h]
Gotta raise, Can't let these ppl catch their K's & Q's. I hate it that catching a 2 is impossible now for my low but ah well. I'm still cautious and ready to fold on 5th if there are too many people and I don't improve.
Dealt to 1RATS [2s]
SeaGullChick is low with [2d]
SeaGullChick brings in for 150
dl_m0nk completes it to 500
kentmayview: had a2478
1RATS folds
loffen3 folds
naldnald folds
kentmayview calls 500
SeaGullChick folds
YES! 1st objective complete. Kent is speculating and praying to catch and crack me.
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to kentmayview [Qc] [Jh]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [7d 7s 3h] [As]
HMMMM, Kents probably gotta 1-gapper str8 draw. I still got the best of it...I think, MUST make him pay for drawing out on me. The A gives me a little bit of hope to win.
dl_m0nk bets 500
kentmayview calls 500
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to kentmayview [Qc Jh] [6c]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [7d 7s 3h As] [Ah]
dl_m0nk bets 1,000
kentmayview calls 1,000
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to kentmayview [Qc Jh 6c] [Ac]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [7d 7s 3h As Ah] [6d]
Two pair but now I'm worried. GOD! Is this guy gonna hit a flush or str8? If he hasn't hit yet I still gotta make him pay.
dl_m0nk bets 1,000
kentmayview has 15 seconds left to act
kentmayview calls 1,000
japalwayshops sits down
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [7d 7s 3h As Ah 6d] [Th]
japalwayshops adds 10,000
I figured a check is good here in case he caught it . If I bet then he repops then what? If I check and he bets out then I'd almost have to call but I'd be crying the whole way. Good chance he has it or he might have 2 pair or he might be bluffing. Maybe I should of bet out? Why the hell not? He's been calling every friggin street.
dl_m0nk checks
kentmayview checks
GOT IT! phew!
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dl_m0nk shows [Th 7s 3h As Ah 6d 7d] two pair, Aces and Sevens, for high
kentmayview mucks
dl_m0nk wins the pot (6,750) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,750 | Rake 0
Seat 1: loffen3 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: naldnald folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: kentmayview mucked [Qd Ts Qc Jh 6c Ac Td] - HI: two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 4: SeaGullChick folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: dl_m0nk showed [Th 7s 3h As Ah 6d 7d] and won (6,750) with HI: two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 7: 1RATS folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: rjh47 is sitting out

This A2A plays the same way almost like the 773. It has a good chance of holding up if I get as many people out as possible.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9610196872: Table Play Chip 168 - 100/200 Ante 20 - Limit Stud H/L - 11:59:21 ET - 2008/12/21
Seat 1: gloway (1,000,945), is sitting out
Seat 2: louise72 (1,776)
Seat 3: Timido (24,216)
Seat 4: shawdii (1,077)
Seat 6: dl_m0nk (11,455)
louise72 antes 20
Timido antes 20
dl_m0nk antes 20
shawdii antes 20
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to louise72 [7d]
Dealt to Timido [Ah]
Dealt to shawdii [6d]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Ad 2c] [As]
The only thing I hate about what I see so far is a 3rd A and two 6's are gone. I still gotta try and win this hand
shawdii is low with [6d]
shawdii brings in for 25
dl_m0nk has 15 seconds left to act
dl_m0nk completes it to 100
louise72 calls 100
Timido calls 100
shawdii calls 75
I'm not too surprised that they cold called but I gotta be extra cautious
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to louise72 [7d] [2s]
Dealt to Timido [Ah] [3h]
Dealt to shawdii [6d] [9h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Ad 2c As] [Jh]
Nothing changes, Louise or Tim might chase down a low and thats fine by me because whoever doesn't get it I'm getting their money
dl_m0nk bets 100
louise72 calls 100
Timido raises to 200
As you can see this stops me in my tracks. He could have four to a flush already or just trying to get value out of his lo. I won't give up so easily so I call another 100.
shawdii calls 200
dl_m0nk has 15 seconds left to act
dl_m0nk calls 100
louise72 calls 100
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to louise72 [7d 2s] [Jd]
Dealt to Timido [Ah 3h] [Kh]
Dealt to shawdii [6d 9h] [4h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Ad 2c As Jh] [8c]
Timido checks
shawdii checks
Confused

check? OK, I'll check. No sense betting into someone with a made hand or is willing to die with his draw.
dl_m0nk checks
louise72 checks
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to louise72 [7d 2s Jd] [5s]
Dealt to Timido [Ah 3h Kh] [7s]
Dealt to shawdii [6d 9h 4h] [6s]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Ad 2c As Jh 8c] [8h]
What I was thinking here is I gotta see if he has it. I shouldn't have bet out here but his check gave me confidence. Of course he calls which makes me believe he was trying to scare us out. Nice try but you gotta remember Tim, no one knows where the fold button is at this level
dl_m0nk bets 200
louise72 calls 200
Timido calls 200
shawdii calls 200
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Ad 2c As Jh 8c 8h] [Ks]
A ballsy and bad bet here. Maybe I was angry that these donks would chase out on me. I took control at the beginning and I'm taking control at the end. If Tim has it, he will let me know and I'll fold and recuperate.
dl_m0nk has 15 seconds left to act
dl_m0nk bets 200
louise72 folds
Timido has 15 seconds left to act
Timido folds
Very Happy

shawdii calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dl_m0nk shows [Ad Ks As Jh 8c 8h 2c] two pair, Aces and Eights, for high
shawdii shows [Kd 9s 6d 9h 4h 6s 7c] two pair, Nines and Sixes, for high
dl_m0nk wins the pot (2,480) with two pair, Aces and Eights
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,480 | Rake 0
Seat 1: gloway is sitting out
Seat 2: louise72 folded on 7th St.
Seat 3: Timido folded on 7th St.
Seat 4: shawdii showed [Kd 9s 6d 9h 4h 6s 7c] and lost with HI: two pair, Nines and Sixes
Seat 6: dl_m0nk showed [Ad Ks As Jh 8c 8h 2c] and won (2,480) with HI: two pair, Aces and Eights

dl_m0nk · Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject:

Finally get some free time to play some more. I been thinking about that A2A hand and I was hoping my thought process was that when Tim 2-bets it, representing a flush and/or low I was getting good pot odds to call another. But then again, you are always getting good pot odds to as long as there are 2-3 people in before you and you are in late position. Now you are just playing the strength of your hand. Does that make sense? When he checks on the next street then just calls on the street after that, that he was real weak and it was possible I had it. If I don't bet at the end I give him control and now I don't feel comfortable where I stand and have to fold just in case. No higher stakes games this time O' the morn so I'll have some fun at my old stakes.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9904532166: Table Play Chip 166 - 100/200 Ante 20 - Limit Stud H/L - 10:57:57 ET - 2009/01/07
Seat 1: brammels (1,798)
Seat 2: grannybarbara (15,805)
Seat 3: bajanjulian (1,000)
Seat 4: frances100 (9,478), is sitting out
Seat 5: pokerfaceup (1,293)
Seat 6: dl_m0nk (11,337)
Seat 7: Terijkd (4,999)
Seat 8: turf1 (1,980)
Terijkd antes 20
pokerfaceup antes 20
turf1 antes 20
brammels antes 20
dl_m0nk antes 20
grannybarbara antes 20
bajanjulian antes 20
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to brammels [Qd]
Dealt to grannybarbara [6c]
Dealt to bajanjulian [Ac]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [Ah]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5s 7s] [6s]
ohhh, start out nearly perfect. I wish it was 234 or 345 but beggars can't be choosers. Mid-late position with almost a full table, gotta get value out the hand and raise.
Dealt to Terijkd [4c]
Dealt to turf1 [Qs]
Terijkd is low with [4c]
Terijkd brings in for 25
turf1 folds
turf1 is sitting out
brammels folds
grannybarbara calls 25
bajanjulian calls 25
pokerfaceup calls 25
dl_m0nk completes it to 100
Terijkd calls 75
grannybarbara calls 75
bajanjulian calls 75
pokerfaceup calls 75
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to grannybarbara [6c] [Jd]
Dealt to bajanjulian [Ac] [Qh]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [Ah] [3d]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5s 7s 6s] [9s]
Surely I'm going to make my flush, plus I gotta gut shot but I'm not holding my breath on that.
Dealt to Terijkd [4c] [Kd]
bajanjulian checks
pokerfaceup checks
dl_m0nk bets 100
Terijkd calls 100
grannybarbara calls 100
bajanjulian has 15 seconds left to act
bajanjulian adds 120
bajanjulian folds
pokerfaceup calls 100
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to grannybarbara [6c Jd] [9d]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [Ah 3d] [8h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5s 7s 6s 9s] [4h]
Sweet Jesus! and OE, gut shot and flush draw. Two cards to go and I should hit something, right? Even if I wiff on the hi get an A,2 or 3 my 7-6 beats Poker's 8-3. I've got, at max, 14 outs for hi...keep betting at it. I should hit something.
Dealt to Terijkd [4c Kd] [2s]
pokerfaceup checks
dl_m0nk bets 200
Terijkd calls 200
grannybarbara calls 200
pokerfaceup calls 200
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to grannybarbara [6c Jd 9d] [3c]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [Ah 3d 8h] [4s]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5s 7s 6s 9s 4h] [5c]
**sigh** Come on! I still feel good. any A, 2 or 3 for lo, 14 outs for hi. I've got a lot of outs and I can't show weakness. Poker definately has a low but with so many low cards out there there is a good chance he has 1 or 2 paints. He's gotta chase down a 5,6 or 7 to beat me for lo.
Dealt to Terijkd [4c Kd 2s] [7d]
pokerfaceup checks
dl_m0nk bets 200
Terijkd calls 200
grannybarbara calls 200
pokerfaceup calls 200
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5s 7s 6s 9s 4h 5c] [2h]
pokerfaceup bets 200
DANGIT! After all that only a 2-7 lo. I'm gonna just call in case he got lucky. I don't think Teri will call 2 bets.
dl_m0nk calls 200
Terijkd calls 200
grannybarbara folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerfaceup shows [9c 8s Ah 3d 8h 4s 8d] three of a kind, Eights, for high
dl_m0nk shows [7s 5s 6s 9s 4h 5c 2h] a pair of Fives, for high and 7,6,5,4,2, for low
Terijkd mucks
pokerfaceup wins the high pot (1,620) with three of a kind, Eights
dl_m0nk wins the low pot (1,620) with 7,6,5,4,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,240 | Rake 0
Seat 1: brammels folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: grannybarbara folded on 7th St.
Seat 3: bajanjulian folded on 4th St.
Seat 4: frances100 is sitting out
Seat 5: pokerfaceup showed [9c 8s Ah 3d 8h 4s 8d] and won (1,620) with HI: three of a kind, Eights
Seat 6: dl_m0nk showed [7s 5s 6s 9s 4h 5c 2h] and won (1,620) with HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 7,6,5,4,2
Seat 7: Terijkd mucked [Ks 6h 4c Kd 2s 7d 6d] - HI: two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 8: turf1 folded on 3rd St.

if someone 2-bets it on 4th or 5th, I think it would be ok to repop it with all the outs I have. At this level they might all call praying for a miracle. It all depends who raises. If Poker raises and I repop then I might scare out future money but if someone raises after me then theres almost a 100% chance everyone will call, someone will 4-bet it and everyone calls. On sixth I can't repop, just call. I gotta save my bets in case I hit bad on 7th. Hit my high on 7th I'm repoppin all day.

dl_m0nk · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject:

More hands! WEEEEEE!
a razz hand I tried but had to fold.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9904473584: Table Play Chip 166 - 100/200 Ante 20 - Limit Stud H/L - 10:52:50 ET - 2009/01/07
Seat 1: brammels (2,090)
Seat 2: grannybarbara (11,291)
Seat 4: frances100 (9,498)
Seat 5: pokerfaceup (1,815)
Seat 6: dl_m0nk (11,642)
Seat 7: Terijkd (6,659)
Seat 8: turf1 (2,000)
brammels antes 20
pokerfaceup antes 20
frances100 antes 20
turf1 antes 20
Terijkd antes 20
dl_m0nk antes 20
grannybarbara antes 20
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to brammels [8c]
Dealt to grannybarbara [3c]
Dealt to frances100 [Kd]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [7h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [4d 7d] [5c]
If I raised with an 845 a few days ago I got the cajones to raise with this one. Raise and see where this hand takes me.
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc]
Dealt to turf1 [Qc]
grannybarbara is low with [3c]
grannybarbara brings in for 25
frances100 folds
bajanjulian sits down
pokerfaceup folds
bajanjulian adds 2,000
dl_m0nk completes it to 100
Terijkd calls 100
frances100 is sitting out
turf1 folds
brammels folds
grannybarbara calls 75
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to grannybarbara [3c] [2d]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [4d 7d 5c] [7s]
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc] [As]
Terijkd bets 100
grannybarbara calls 100
a pair now, but I'm feeling sick. Lows not looking great with Barbs 23x and I feel like they could suck out higher pairs on me. But I'll just call and see if I can get another low, Barb wiffs or get a longshot trips
dl_m0nk calls 100
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to grannybarbara [3c 2d] [Ks]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [4d 7d 5c 7s] [9s]
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc As] [6d]
Terijkd bets 200
turf1 is sitting out
grannybarbara calls 200
dl_m0nk has 15 seconds left to act
Teri continues to bet with an A-10 and Barb calls with a K while I hit an ugly 9? Now I'm feeling real sick. muck!
dl_m0nk folds
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to grannybarbara [3c 2d Ks] [2h]
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc As 6d] [4c]
grannybarbara bets 200
Terijkd raises to 400
grannybarbara calls 200
*** 7TH STREET ***
grannybarbara bets 200
Terijkd calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
grannybarbara shows [Ad Ac 3c 2d Ks 2h Th] two pair, Aces and Twos, for high
Terijkd shows [3s 3d Tc As 6d 4c 2c] a pair of Threes, for high and 6,4,3,2,A, for low
grannybarbara wins the high pot (1,170) with two pair, Aces and Twos
Terijkd wins the low pot (1,170) with 6,4,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,340 | Rake 0
Seat 1: brammels folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: grannybarbara showed [Ad Ac 3c 2d Ks 2h Th] and won (1,170) with HI: two pair, Aces and Twos
Seat 4: frances100 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: pokerfaceup folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: dl_m0nk folded on 5th St.
Seat 7: Terijkd showed [3s 3d Tc As 6d 4c 2c] and won (1,170) with HI: a pair of Threes; LO: 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 8: turf1 folded on 3rd St.
**pats self on back**...good fold monk

dl_m0nk · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject:

Zophar told me to keep trying with high PP's so I will.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9904611436: Table Play Chip 166 - 100/200 Ante 20 - Limit Stud H/L - 11:04:57 ET - 2009/01/07
Seat 1: brammels (1,711)
Seat 2: grannybarbara (16,380), is sitting out
Seat 3: bajanjulian (1,605)
Seat 4: frances100 (9,478), is sitting out
Seat 5: pokerfaceup (593)
Seat 6: dl_m0nk (11,987)
Seat 7: Terijkd (5,596)
Seat 8: turf1 (1,395), is sitting out
brammels antes 20
pokerfaceup antes 20
Terijkd antes 20
dl_m0nk antes 20
bajanjulian antes 20
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to brammels [9h]
Dealt to bajanjulian [8s]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [Jh]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Qc Qs] [Ah]
High concealed pockets with an A in late (mid-late?) position. Lets raise this and see what happens
Dealt to Terijkd [4s]
Terijkd is low with [4s]
Terijkd brings in for 25
brammels folds
bajanjulian calls 25
pokerfaceup calls 25
dl_m0nk completes it to 100
Terijkd calls 75
bajanjulian calls 75
pokerfaceup calls 75
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to bajanjulian [8s] [Tc]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [Jh] [8c]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Qc Qs Ah] [Qd]
hit a lucky 3rd Q. I'm feeling good but gotta keep an eye out for flushes. You think I hit my trip so early I got better chances now to hit a boat? Stay tuned kiddies!
Dealt to Terijkd [4s] [Ks]
dl_m0nk bets 100
Terijkd calls 100
bajanjulian calls 100
pokerfaceup calls 100
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to bajanjulian [8s Tc] [7s]
Dealt to pokerfaceup [Jh 8c] [2s]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Qc Qs Ah Qd] [6d]
6 outs to a boat or better so I'm not holding my breath. Now that Teri wiffed on another spade on 5th I gotta get her out. I'm not really worried about anyone else.
Dealt to Terijkd [4s Ks] [6h]
dl_m0nk bets 200
Terijkd calls 200
bajanjulian calls 200
pokerfaceup folds
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to bajanjulian [8s Tc 7s] [Ts]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Qc Qs Ah Qd 6d] [2h]
8 outs to boat. Still bad odds but I still have the best hand regardless now that Teri wiffed again.
Dealt to Terijkd [4s Ks 6h] [Qh]
pokerfaceup stands up
bajanjulian checks
dl_m0nk bets 200
Terijkd calls 200
bajanjulian calls 200
Kito11 adds 2,000
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Qc Qs Ah Qd 6d 2h] [7h]
bajanjulian has 15 seconds left to act
bajanjulian checks
dl_m0nk bets 200
Terijkd raises to 400
wait...wat? Of course I'm gonna call. Pots too big and I got too much invested here. If she sucked out on me, so be it. It happens and I'll get my money back later
Kito11: i luv stud!
bajanjulian has 15 seconds left to act
bajanjulian adds 15
bajanjulian folds
dl_m0nk calls 200
frances100 has returned
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Terijkd shows [Td 4h 4s Ks 6h Qh 4c] three of a kind, Fours, for high
dl_m0nk shows [Qs Qc Ah Qd 6d 2h 7h] three of a kind, Queens, for high
dl_m0nk wins the pot (2,900) with three of a kind, Queens
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,900 | Rake 0
Seat 1: brammels folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: grannybarbara is sitting out
Seat 3: bajanjulian folded on 7th St.
Seat 4: frances100 is sitting out
Seat 5: pokerfaceup folded on 5th St.
Seat 6: dl_m0nk showed [Qs Qc Ah Qd 6d 2h 7h] and won (2,900) with HI: three of a kind, Queens
Seat 7: Terijkd showed [Td 4h 4s Ks 6h Qh 4c] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Fours
Seat 8: turf1 is sitting out

dl_m0nk · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject:

Full Tilt Poker Game #9904671784: Table Play Chip 166 - 100/200 Ante 20 - Limit Stud H/L - 11:10:25 ET - 2009/01/07
Seat 1: brammels (3,453)
Seat 2: grannybarbara (16,380), is sitting out
Seat 3: jdh2971 (1,980)
Seat 4: frances100 (8,868), is sitting out
Seat 5: Kito11 (1,447), is sitting out
Seat 6: dl_m0nk (13,782)
Seat 7: Terijkd (4,627)
Seat 8: turf1 (1,395), is sitting out
brammels antes 20
dl_m0nk antes 20
jdh2971 antes 20
Terijkd antes 20
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to brammels [2d]
Dealt to jdh2971 [Ac]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Jh Jc] [Qs]
high PP, short handed, lets try a raise again.
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc]
brammels is low with [2d]
brammels brings in for 25
jdh2971 calls 25
dl_m0nk completes it to 100
Terijkd calls 100
brammels calls 75
jdh2971 calls 75
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to brammels [2d] [Kc]
Dealt to jdh2971 [Ac] [8h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Jh Jc Qs] [6d]
I will see where I stand here. Thats not saying much at this level.
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc] [4h]
turf1 stands up
jdh2971 checks
dl_m0nk bets 100
Kito11 stands up
Terijkd calls 100
brammels calls 100
jdh2971 calls 100
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to brammels [2d Kc] [9s]
Dealt to jdh2971 [Ac 8h] [Kh]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Jh Jc Qs 6d] [2s]
Two K's and an A out. Do they have a pair? JDH bets out. He might have it, might be trying to scare people out.
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc 4h] [2c]
jdh2971 bets 200
dl_m0nk calls 200
Terijkd calls 200
brammels calls 200
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to brammels [2d Kc 9s] [5c]
Dealt to jdh2971 [Ac 8h Kh] [Qc]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Jh Jc Qs 6d 2s] [Qh]
I've gotta nice 2-pair. Whats the probability someone has a better 2-pair than me? If they haven't hit anything higher than me I gotta get them out.
Dealt to Terijkd [Tc 4h 2c] [2h]
dl_m0nk bets 200
Terijkd calls 200
brammels folds
jdh2971 calls 200
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [Jh Jc Qs 6d 2s Qh] [Td]
Alright, I give up. Can't get them out for nothing. With 2 players showing a K I wanted to think its less probable they have something like K's N' 4's. Maybe someone was cautiously playing A's up?
dl_m0nk checks
Terijkd checks
jdh2971 bets 200
too much in the pot, I'll call
dl_m0nk calls 200
Terijkd calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jdh2971 shows [Ks Kd Ac 8h Kh Qc 3h] three of a kind, Kings, for high
OUCH!
dl_m0nk mucks
grannybarbara has returned
Terijkd mucks
jdh2971 wins the pot (2,880) with three of a kind, Kings
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,880 | Rake 0
Seat 1: brammels folded on 6th St.
Seat 2: grannybarbara is sitting out
Seat 3: jdh2971 showed [Ks Kd Ac 8h Kh Qc 3h] and won (2,880) with HI: three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: frances100 is sitting out
Seat 5: Kito11 is sitting out
Seat 6: dl_m0nk mucked [Jh Jc Qs 6d 2s Qh Td] - HI: two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 7: Terijkd mucked [Ah 8c Tc 4h 2c 2h 4s] - HI: two pair, Fours and Twos
Seat 8: turf1 is sitting out

One thing I forgot in this hand was that if someone, at this level bets showing a card higher than my pair, they might have it, gotta fold because of that reason and people are willing to chase hands. At higher stakes people will let me hang myself more and define their hands better.

dl_m0nk

Hello, my name is dl_m0nk and I am a GTA4 multiplayer addict Laughing

. But I can never say goodbye to my second love so after a 2 month long deathmatch binge I came back with a vengeance. I didn't want to say goodbye to all those play chips and what little poker skill I've gained. It was tough at first but eventually I got back into the swing of things and started doing well at the 100/200 PLO8 level and got 2nd in an Omaha FR.
I was having a tough time with the SNG's, mediocre kinda. If SNG's weren't gonna work for me, then where am I supposed to go to turn a profit? Stud8! Over the last three times I've sat at the .05/.10 table I've made almost $3! The majority of the people at this level play like the fish buying in for only 2000 play chips at the 100/200 level. Just watch on what these guys call with and try to chase down. You'll be scratching your head and LOL'ing at the same time like me.
Alright, so lets see what I've have 1st here in my HH....

Here's a tough hand I saw three times:
Full Tilt Poker Game #11093253877: Table Del Nido - $0.05/$0.10 Ante $0.01 - Limit Stud H/L - 23:31:37 ET - 2009/03/11
Seat 1: waterski00 ($1.26)
Seat 2: greyroot ($2.46)
Seat 3: dl_m0nk ($10.47)
Seat 4: mrysbrd ($0.31)
Seat 5: Dbl Eagle1 ($4.05), is sitting out
Seat 6: no9to5 ($1.21)
Seat 7: noluckgal ($0.36)
Seat 8: scamperbj ($0.93)
scamperbj antes $0.01
mrysbrd antes $0.01
dl_m0nk antes $0.01
greyroot antes $0.01
noluckgal antes $0.01
no9to5 antes $0.01
waterski00 antes $0.01
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to waterski00 [8h]
Dealt to greyroot [3h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5d 6d] [6s]
Here's a nice little pair. I'm calling .02 but instafolding to a completion.
Dealt to mrysbrd [9c]
Dealt to no9to5 [Kc]
Dealt to noluckgal [3s]
Dealt to scamperbj [Js]
greyroot is low with [3h]
greyroot brings in for $0.02
dl_m0nk has 15 seconds left to act
dl_m0nk calls $0.02
mrysbrd folds
no9to5 folds
noluckgal calls $0.02
scamperbj calls $0.02
waterski00 calls $0.02
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to waterski00 [8h] [Ts]
Dealt to greyroot [3h] [5h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5d 6d 6s] [7h]
Dealt to noluckgal [3s] [6c]
Dealt to scamperbj [Js] [Kd]
scamperbj checks
waterski00 bets $0.05
greyroot calls $0.05
On retrospect, this is where I should've folded but I had won a nice pot the hand before and was willing to gamble. Water probably has a pair of 8's or 10's, Grey and Gal have at least 3-card low draws and willing to chase and Gal has one of my 6's. Hindsight is 20/20
dl_m0nk calls $0.05
noluckgal calls $0.05
scamperbj calls $0.05
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to waterski00 [8h Ts] [8s]
Dealt to greyroot [3h 5h] [7s]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5d 6d 6s 7h] [6h]
OMGOMG CASE 6! Shocked

I can't get away from this hand anymore,right? I mean its trips and I might improve to a boat! WRONG! BAD THINKING! Four outs, MAX, to improve to a boat or I can get running pairs on 6th and 7th which is about 1-5% ? Its about the same loooong odds to escape with a low. I've trapped myself
Dealt to noluckgal [3s 6c] [Th]
Dealt to scamperbj [Js Kd] [Jc]
scamperbj bets $0.10
waterski00 calls $0.10
greyroot calls $0.10
dl_m0nk calls $0.10
noluckgal calls $0.10
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to waterski00 [8h Ts 8s] [2d]
Dealt to greyroot [3h 5h 7s] [8d]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5d 6d 6s 7h 6h] [Jd]
Dealt to noluckgal [3s 6c Th] [Ah]
Dealt to scamperbj [Js Kd Jc] [2c]
scamperbj bets $0.10
waterski00 calls $0.10
greyroot raises to $0.20
Alright, Grey (He's been the table bully) is betting his lo I thought, Gal is comitted to chase her unmade lo and Scamper has 2 pair...I might still have the best of it?
dl_m0nk calls $0.20
noluckgal calls $0.18, and is all in
scamperbj calls $0.10
Dbl Eagle1 has returned
Dbl Eagle1 is sitting out
waterski00 has 15 seconds left to act
waterski00 folds
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [5d 6d 6s 7h 6h Jd] [4s]
scamperbj bets $0.10
greyroot raises to $0.20
**SIGH** I'm feeling sick. I hate it when I get put in this situation but now I'm commited and gotta see it till the end.
dl_m0nk calls $0.20
scamperbj has 15 seconds left to act
scamperbj raises to $0.30
greyroot raises to $0.40
dl_m0nk calls $0.20
scamperbj calls $0.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
greyroot shows [Ad Tc 3h 5h 7s 8d 2h] Ace Ten high, for high and 7,5,3,2,A, for low
dl_m0nk shows [6d 5d 6s 7h 6h Jd 4s] three of a kind, Sixes, for high
**in Humberto Brenes voice** COME ON! COME ON!
scamperbj shows [Qd Jh Js Kd Jc 2c 2s] a full house, Jacks full of Twos, for high
OOF! ARGH!
scamperbj wins the high side pot ($0.60) with a full house, Jacks full of Twos
greyroot wins the low side pot ($0.59) with 7,5,3,2,A
noluckgal mucks
scamperbj wins the high main pot ($0.83) with a full house, Jacks full of Twos
greyroot wins the low main pot ($0.83) with 7,5,3,2,A
noluckgal is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3 Main pot $1.74. Side pot $1.26. | Rake $0.15
Seat 1: waterski00 folded on 6th St.
Seat 2: greyroot showed [Ad Tc 3h 5h 7s 8d 2h] and won ($1.42) with HI: Ace Ten high; LO: 7,5,3,2,A
Seat 3: dl_m0nk showed [6d 5d 6s 7h 6h Jd 4s] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 4: mrysbrd folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: Dbl Eagle1 is sitting out
Seat 6: no9to5 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: noluckgal mucked [As Ac 3s 6c Th Ah Ks] - HI: three of a kind, Aces
Seat 8: scamperbj showed [Qd Jh Js Kd Jc 2c 2s] and won ($1.43) with HI: a full house, Jacks full of Twos

Here's another trips that I had bad luck with

Full Tilt Poker Game #11135799369: Table Del Nido - $0.05/$0.10 Ante $0.01 - Limit Stud H/L - 13:59:46 ET - 2009/03/14
Seat 1: hotchips10 ($1.83)
Seat 2: aceshere22 ($2.01)
Seat 3: velvet77 ($0.74)
Seat 4: Lambaster ($0.94)
Seat 5: dl_m0nk ($9.97)
Seat 6: jamjam3 ($0.56)
Seat 8: MangyMut ($1.36)
dl_m0nk antes $0.01
hotchips10 antes $0.01
Lambaster antes $0.01
MangyMut antes $0.01
aceshere22 antes $0.01
jamjam3 antes $0.01
velvet77 antes $0.01
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to hotchips10 [Td]
Dealt to aceshere22 [Tc]
Dealt to velvet77 [8c]
Dealt to Lambaster [Js]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [9d 4c] [9c]
Dealt to jamjam3 [2s]
Dealt to MangyMut [8h]
jamjam3 is low with [2s]
jamjam3 brings in for $0.02
MangyMut calls $0.02
hotchips10 folds
aceshere22 calls $0.02
velvet77 calls $0.02
Lambaster calls $0.02
I gotta limp here in case somebody chases down a higher pair. It'd be pointless to raise because they will call the extra .03c.
dl_m0nk calls $0.02
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to aceshere22 [Tc] [Qd]
Dealt to velvet77 [8c] [Qh]
Dealt to Lambaster [Js] [4s]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [9d 4c 9c] [8d]
Dealt to jamjam3 [2s] [Jh]
Dealt to MangyMut [8h] [Kh]
MangyMut checks
aceshere22 checks
velvet77 checks
Lambaster checks
dl_m0nk checks
jamjam3 checks
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to aceshere22 [Tc Qd] [7d]
Dealt to velvet77 [8c Qh] [Ah]
Dealt to Lambaster [Js 4s] [7h]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [9d 4c 9c 8d] [9h]
JACKPOT! I was thinking just call and get as much money in the pot as I can. I really didn't see any problems I would have here unless someone chases down a monster or Mut catch a miracle K but whats the odds of that?
Dealt to jamjam3 [2s Jh] [5c]
Dealt to MangyMut [8h Kh] [Kc]
MangyMut bets $0.10
aceshere22 calls $0.10
velvet77 has 15 seconds left to act
velvet77 calls $0.10
Lambaster calls $0.10
dl_m0nk calls $0.10
jamjam3 folds
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to aceshere22 [Tc Qd 7d] [Ad]
Dealt to velvet77 [8c Qh Ah] [9s]
Dealt to Lambaster [Js 4s 7h] [3d]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [9d 4c 9c 8d 9h] [Kd]
Well, there goes my 9 but I have Mut's K. I still don't see any problems unless Ace catches his miracle river for a straight or someone catches runner-runner for a flush or str8. I'll appear weak to get as much money in the pot as I can.
Dealt to MangyMut [8h Kh Kc] [Jd]
MangyMut checks
aceshere22 bets $0.10
velvet77 folds
Lambaster calls $0.10
dl_m0nk calls $0.10
MangyMut calls $0.10
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to dl_m0nk [9d 4c 9c 8d 9h Kd] [5s]
MangyMut checks
aceshere22 bets $0.10
Lambaster calls $0.10
OK, now that everyone is commited, it's time to turn up the heat!
dl_m0nk raises to $0.20
MangyMut folds
aceshere22 calls $0.10
Lambaster calls $0.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dl_m0nk shows [9d 5s 9c 8d 9h Kd 4c] three of a kind, Nines, for high
HEHEH Come to daddy!
aceshere22 shows [As Ac Tc Qd 7d Ad 6s] three of a kind, Aces, for high
Shocked

AWWWW HE SLOWPLAYED CONCEALED A's AND GOT THERE! Crying or Very sad

Lambaster mucks
aceshere22 wins the pot ($1.61) with three of a kind, Aces
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.69 | Rake $0.08
Seat 1: hotchips10 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: aceshere22 showed [As Ac Tc Qd 7d Ad 6s] and won ($1.61) with HI: three of a kind, Aces How appropriate the name
Seat 3: velvet77 folded on 6th St.
Seat 4: Lambaster mucked [4h 2h Js 4s 7h 3d 2c] - HI: two pair, Fours and Twos
Seat 5: dl_m0nk showed [9d 5s 9c 8d 9h Kd 4c] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: jamjam3 folded on 5th St.
Seat 8: MangyMut folded on 7th St.

What am I supposed to do in that situation? I really think I saved myself some money there because I believe Ace was married to those A's and confident he would eventually make 2 pair, possibly not throwing them away until after 6th if he doesn't improve but then again he might think he's comitted to stay in after any raises on 5th and 6th. Bad luck or play from me? Please let me know.
To be continued.....

dl_m0nk

Have I told any of you how much I love Stud8? I do Very Happy

! The scientfic patience and agression and of course the bad players! This is, exclusively, how I am building my roll from a $12 FR cash. For this reason, I am moving my BR updates here.

There is a subject I would like to talk about: THE DREADED 8-LO.
Most of the time you MUST NOT play this. Do not get into the pot with 8-5-6 or any 8-baby-baby. Its too much of a gamble with other bad players willing to chase down a 7-lo, a better 8 than yours or you brick on the last three streets leaving you, at best, with 1 small pair. There have been 2-3 times where my 8-lo has held up for half the pot but those are few and far between. Toss it before you invest any money and wait for a better spot.
I've found a hand converter @ http://www.thehandconverter.com/ .
I almost made the mistake of not clicking "show results".

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $0.01 Ante - 8 players
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3rd Street:
Seat 1: xx xx 9h
Seat 2: xx xx 3s
Seat 3: xx xx Qd
Seat 4: xx xx Ah
Seat 5: xx xx 2s
Seat 6: xx xx Kd
Hero: 3c 2h 5d
Seat 8: xx xx 9s

Seat 5 brings in for 0.02, Seat 6 folds, Hero calls, Seat 8 calls, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 completes, Seat 3 calls, Seat 4 calls, Seat 5 calls, Hero calls, Seat 8 calls, Seat 1 calls

4th Street: (8.6 SB) (7 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 9h 6s
Seat 2: xx xx 3s 9c
Seat 3: xx xx Qd Kh
Seat 4: xx xx Ah 6h
Seat 5: xx xx 2s Ad
Hero: 3c 2h 5d 8h
I do not feel good about this. I would've welcomed a 7 but its an 8. With seat 4 and 5 showing lower cards With 6's and A's about gone, I can no longer confidently play this.
Seat 8: xx xx 9s Qc

Seat 4 checks, Seat 5 bets, Hero folds, Seat 8 folds, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 raises, Seat 3 3-bets, Seat 4 calls, Seat 5 calls, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 calls

5th Street: (11.8 BB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 9h 6s Js
Seat 2: xx xx 3s 9c 6d
Seat 3: xx xx Qd Kh Ts
Seat 4: xx xx Ah 6h 7h
Seat 5: xx xx 2s Ad Th

Seat 5 checks, Seat 1 checks, Seat 2 checks, Seat 3 bets, Seat 4 calls, Seat 5 calls, Seat 1 folds, Seat 2 calls

6th Street: (15.8 BB) (4 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 3s 9c 6d 4s
Seat 3: xx xx Qd Kh Ts Jd
Seat 4: xx xx Ah 6h 7h 3h
Seat 5: xx xx 2s Ad Th Td

Seat 5 bets, Seat 2 calls, Seat 3 calls, Seat 4 calls

7th Street: (19.8 BB) (4 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 3s 9c 6d 4s xx
Seat 3: xx xx Qd Kh Ts Jd xx
Seat 4: xx xx Ah 6h 7h 3h xx
Seat 5: xx xx 2s Ad Th Td xx

Seat 5 checks, Seat 2 bets, Seat 3 raises, Seat 4 calls, Seat 5 calls, Seat 2 calls

Final Pot: 27.8 BB
Seat 2 mucks 7s 7d 3s 9c 6d 4s 5s
Seat 3 shows Ks Kc Qd Kh Ts Jd Qs (HI: a full house, Kings full of Queens)
Seat 4 shows 9d 6c Ah 6h 7h 3h 4c (HI: a pair of Sixes; LO: 7,6,4,3,A)
Seat 5 mucks As Qh 2s Ad Th Td 2c
Seat 3 wins 13.3 BB
Seat 4 wins 13.2 BB
(Rake: $0.13)

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3rd Street:
Seat 1: xx xx 7h
Seat 2: xx xx 4d
Hero: 2d 3c 8d
Seat 7: xx xx 4c
Seat 8: xx xx Ks

Seat 7 brings in for 0.02, Seat 8 folds, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 completes,Hero foldsSeat 2 has been the bully at this table but I cannot let that sway me into making a bad speculation. He's playing maybe a mid-PP and if he is there goes more of my outs. He could be playing a concealed high-pp or a lo too. Either way, with all these calling stations and only a marginal low and facing a raise...all signs point to fold. And the results....

Final Pot: 1.3 BB
Seat 1 shows Qh 3h 7h 5d 9s 4s 2s (HI: Queen Nine high; LO: 7,5,4,3,2)

Full Tilt Poker Game #11085732514: Table Hibiscus - $0.05/$0.10 Ante $0.01 - Limit Stud H/L - 16:03:01 ET - 2009/03/11
Seat 1: 96redvette ($4.99)
Seat 2: broset ($59.51)
Seat 3: pokerdawg123 ($3.73)
Seat 4: Crumbly731 ($0.94)
Seat 5: lumatic ($3.09)
Seat 6: jamjam3 ($0.97)
Seat 7: dl_m0nk ($7.11)
Seat 8: PrarieWind ($2)
Crumbly731 antes $0.01
dl_m0nk antes $0.01
PrarieWind antes $0.01
96redvette antes $0.01
jamjam3 antes $0.01
pokerdawg123 antes $0.01
broset antes $0.01
lumatic antes $0.01
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to 96redvette [2s]
Dealt to broset [9d]
Dealt to pokerdawg123 [Qd]
Dealt to Crumbly731 [Qc]
Dealt to lumatic [8d]
Dealt to jamjam3 [Td]
Dealt to dl_m0nk [6s 8h] [5d]
UGLY! UGLY! This is an instafold. Never play these at the beginning hoping to catch and hold up
Dealt to PrarieWind [8c]
96redvette is low with [2s]
96redvette brings in for $0.02
broset has 15 seconds left to act
broset completes it to $0.05
pokerdawg123 folds
Crumbly731 calls $0.05
lumatic calls $0.05
jamjam3 folds
dl_m0nk folds
and the results...
Seat 5: lumatic showed [Ac 6h 8d 4d 7c Jc 2c] and won ($0.57) with HI: Ace Jack high; LO: 7,6,4,2,A
I have three others hands like this where I have 8-7-x, 8-5-x, 8-4-x and all of them a 7-lo chopped half the pot.

So here is three hands where I had 8-lo's and won. Look over the losing 8-lo's and these and see if you notice the differences in what people are holding. The cards I see in other peoples hands, the guesstimation of outs still available and if I can continue with the hands are all key in making money in these tough situations.

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3rd Street:
Seat 1: xx xx Ac
Seat 3: xx xx 9d
Seat 4: xx xx Kc
Seat 5: xx xx 7s
Seat 6: xx xx Kh
Seat 7: xx xx Jh
Hero: As 8c 2d

Hero brings in for 0.02, Seat 1 completes, Seat 3 folds, Seat 4 folds, Seat 5 calls, Seat 6 folds, Seat 7 calls, Hero calls
I thought in this situation that Seat one could be repping something, I doubted aces but maybe a mid pair. Would he really raise a low draw? I didn't think so.
4th Street: (5.4 SB) (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx Ac Kd
Seat 5: xx xx 7s 9h
Seat 7: xx xx Jh Qs
Hero: As 8c 2d 6d
Ok, nothing to scary out there. I'm feeling good but cautious.
Seat 1 bets, Seat 5 calls, Seat 7 calls, Hero calls

5th Street: (4.7 BB) (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx Ac Kd 8d
Seat 5: xx xx 7s 9h 8s
Seat 7: xx xx Jh Qs Tc
Hero: As 8c 2d 6d 9c

Seat 1 bets, Seat 5 calls, Seat 7 calls,Ouch, I'm in a tough situation now. Seat 1 of course, keeps showing strength and the stations call like they always do. I'm guessing I have 10-15 outs for low.Hero calls

6th Street: (8.7 BB) (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx Ac Kd 8d Qd
Seat 5: xx xx 7s 9h 8s 3h
Seat 7: xx xx Jh Qs Tc 6h
Hero: As 8c 2d 6d 9c 2h

darnit! Maybe they will check now and I can see a free card. I've got decent amount of outs still.Hero checks, Seat 1 bets, Seat 5 raises, Seat 7 calls, SIIIIGH, this is a totally crazy call but thinking about all my outs for low I FELT like I was going to get there. The only person I was afraid of was Seat 5 but I felt he had at least one paint in there. I suggest not playing like I do here a whole lotHero calls, Seat 1 calls

7th Street: (16.7 BB) (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx Ac Kd 8d Qd xx
Seat 5: xx xx 7s 9h 8s 3h xx
Seat 7: xx xx Jh Qs Tc 6h xx
Hero: As 8c 2d 6d 9c 2h 3c

Hero checks, Seat 1 checks, Seat 5 bets, Seat 7 calls, BANG! I GOT THERE JUST LIKE I THOUGHT! Poppin it!Hero raises, Seat 1 folds, Seat 5 calls, Seat 7 calls

Final Pot: 22.7 BB
Seat 5 shows Ks 4s 7s 9h 8s 3h 2s (HI: a flush, King high; LO: 8,7,4,3,2)
Seat 7 mucks Qc Jc Jh Qs Tc 6h Td
Hero shows As 8c 2d 6d 9c 2h 3c (HI: a pair of Twos; LO: 8,6,3,2,A)
Seat 5 wins 10.8 BB
Hero wins 10.8 BB
(Rake: $0.11)

skin of my teeth there.

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3rd Street:
Seat 2: xx xx 6h
Seat 3: xx xx Ks
Seat 4: xx xx Tc
Seat 5: xx xx 6s
Hero: Kc 4d 3h
Seat 8: xx xx Js

Hero brings in for 0.02, Seat 8 calls, Seat 2 calls, Seat 3 folds, Seat 4 calls, Seat 5 folds

4th Street: (2.8 SB) (4 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6h Jh
Seat 4: xx xx Tc Td
Hero: Kc 4d 3h As
Seat 8: xx xx Js 9c

Seat 4 bets, Hero calls, Seat 8 folds, Seat 2 raises, Seat 4 calls, Hero calls
He's raising on a flush draw and for one .10 I wanted to see another card and then for another .10...I'm still willing to see another card. 9 or higher and I'm out for sure

5th Street: (4.4 BB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6h Jh Ts
Seat 4: xx xx Tc Td 9h
Hero: Kc 4d 3h As 8s

Seat 4 checks, Hero checks, Seat 2 checks
checks all around. #2 didn't get his heart and I, like him, don't wanna put money in with a hand that might not get there

6th Street: (4.4 BB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6h Jh Ts Qc
Seat 4: xx xx Tc Td 9h 2c
Hero: Kc 4d 3h As 8s 2s

Seat 4 checks, There it is and no one else with signs of a low. A definite bet hereHero bets, Seat 2 calls, Seat 4 calls

7th Street: (7.4 BB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6h Jh Ts Qc xx
Seat 4: xx xx Tc Td 9h 2c xx
Hero: Kc 4d 3h As 8s 2s 2d

Seat 4 checks, Hero bets, Seat 2 calls, Seat 4 folds

Final Pot: 9.4 BB
Seat 2 shows Ah Jc 6h Jh Ts Qc 5h (HI: a pair of Jacks)
Hero shows Kc 4d 3h As 8s 2s 2d (HI: a pair of Twos; LO: 8,4,3,2,A)
Seat 2 wins 4.5 BB
Hero wins 4.5 BB
(Rake: $0.04)

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3rd Street:
Seat 1: xx xx 6c
Seat 2: xx xx Ts
Seat 3: xx xx Qd
Seat 4: xx xx 9c
Hero: Td 7h 3s
Seat 6: xx xx Ah
Seat 7: xx xx 6h

Hero brings in for 0.02, Seat 6 folds, Seat 7 folds, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 calls, Seat 3 calls, Seat 4 calls

4th Street: (3.4 SB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 6c Kh
Seat 2: xx xx Ts As
Seat 3: xx xx Qd 2s
Seat 4: xx xx 9c 6d
Hero: Td 7h 3s 8c

Seat 2 checks, Seat 3 checks, Seat 4 checks, Hero checks, Seat 1 checks

5th Street: (1.7 BB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 6c Kh 4c
Seat 2: xx xx Ts As Kc
Seat 3: xx xx Qd 2s 6s
Seat 4: xx xx 9c 6d 3h
Hero: Td 7h 3s 8c 2d

Seat 2 checks, Seat 3 checks, Seat 4 checks, Hero checks, Seat 1 checks

6th Street: (1.7 BB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 6c Kh 4c Qh
Seat 2: xx xx Ts As Kc 5s
Seat 3: xx xx Qd 2s 6s Js
Seat 4: xx xx 9c 6d 3h 3d
Hero: Td 7h 3s 8c 2d Ad
CHECKY CHECKY! and there it is. No sense in putting in money with an ungauranteed made hand but I got there and I don't see any problems.
Seat 4 checks, Hero bets, Seat 1 folds, Seat 2 calls, Seat 3 calls, Seat 4 calls

7th Street: (5.7 BB) (4 players)
Seat 2: xx xx Ts As Kc 5s xx
Seat 3: xx xx Qd 2s 6s Js xx
Seat 4: xx xx 9c 6d 3h 3d xx
Hero: Td 7h 3s 8c 2d Ad 4h
And I improve to a 7-lo. Gotta bet here too.
Seat 4 checks, Hero bets, Seat 2 folds, Seat 3 calls, Seat 4 calls

Final Pot: 8.7 BB
Seat 3 shows Ks 8s Qd 2s 6s Js 8d (HI: a flush, King high)
Seat 4 mucks 7s 5h 9c 6d 3h 3d 5d
Hero shows Td 7h 3s 8c 2d Ad 4h (HI: Ace Ten high; LO: 7,4,3,2,A)
Seat 3 wins 4.2 BB
Hero wins 4.1 BB
(Rake: $0.04)

Did you see the differences? I only went forward with an 8 if the players showed barely a sign of having a low themselves. Majority of the time you must fold the 8-lo on 3rd but only call a 1-bet if the other players are showing 9's or higher, sometimes if one or two players are showing lower doors but I'd say to be on the safe side no more than that. Its a bad idea to put in money in the pot in 4th and 5th if players are showing two cards lower than your 8. After 5th they could have three cards to a low and that could be enough incentive for them to see one more card thus drawing out on you while u brick and put yourself in danger. If they have four cards to a low on 5th....well now, you are in BIG trouble and you could lose a nice chunk of your stack. NEVER EVER COLD CALL A 2-BET OR MORE WITH AN 8-LO ON 3RD STREET.

If you can tell I'm mostly a "by feel" player based on past experiences. I know some of you are cringing see how I played these hands. Thats good though. Cringe all you like and discuss it if you want to. Looking over a few of my hands I've cringed, called myself crazy and asked myself "What was I thinking there?". But thats how we get better. I feel like I have gotten better by playing and looking at my HH's. I've seen moments where I lost focus and gambled when I shouldn't or I ignored the probability of someone having a hand and the probability of hitting mine and getting burned for it. Live and learn.
ummmm, I think thats it for now. I'm gonna come back later this weekend and post more hands. If you want to discuss these hands or post your own and analyze them, maybe ask for my .02c then feel free. Peace out yall.

Zophar · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject:

These mile long posts are unbearable. Please try to keep it to one or 2 hands at most per thread.
Given that regarding this last post, all the 8's aside from one are standard folds. One hand I never fold, 856 w/live 7's in a limped pot, last to act. Bare 8 lows are losers, something that would be agreed with by anyone with a bit of knowledge.

dl_m0nk · Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:06 am Post subject:

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