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IABoomer
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| I wrote letters commending the bill to several area politicians around the Chicago area. I gave them my opinion of how corrupt this business is. |
So, you wrote to politicians who are bought and paid for by political action committees, campaign contributions, etc. to complain about the corruption of online poker? 
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| I and several friends and relatives have gathered hand histories to put on cd. We have sent a few dozen of the most ridiculus ones. |
A few dozen hands? Over what time frame? And how many hands were dealt on the entire site at that time? Something tells me you don't have a real good grasp of the very basic statistical concepts that go into evaluating the legitimacy of a poker site.
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| I love poker. And I loved to play it conveiently in my home. But in this day and age, anything with this much money at stake is succeptible to corruption; and I think internet poker is the most blatant. |
This much money at stake? Do you have any idea as to how much money is available to the brick and mortar casinos, many of which made contributions to Frist and others in order to protect their own interests?
I especially find it funny that you find the political system trustworthy and lacking in corruption considering your username implies you're from the South side of Chicago, a city in a state known for having dead people vote.
Congratulations on being a mindless sheep that needs the government to protect them from everything in the world. |
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ManilaDog
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Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Location: Brockton Ma and Republic Of Philippines
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Its called The Windy City because of the blow hard pols ,not the lake breeze.( truth)
Im sure those fools will understand hand histories,lmao |
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alex j beeson
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Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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Location: Riding the Rakeback gravy train
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| I signed this petition. Only 14,426 signatures have been put onthis petition, if you want anything done in favor of online gambling there will need to be a whole hell of a lot more signatures. All those signing should be registered voters as well or the Government won't care what we all think. "free country" my ***!!! There will be a whole heckk of alot of do-gooders screaming for the noose for online gambling and they yell loud and are registered voters. In America we are supposed to be free in our decisions and the do-gooders are totalitarian in their thinking. Majority rules is a good thing if you are in the majority. A lot more the 14,000 people play online gambling, so we all better get on the bus and push a lot harder or we will be further controlled and forced to tow the line whether we like it or not! |
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FAST EDDIE 88
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Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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Location: top of a mountain shouting its rigged
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If the B&M casinos can buy senators and congressmen, then why cant online sites pay for some lobbyists (bribes). If they want American business, then they need to pay some people. It's as simple as that. America isn't the rightous country they tell you it is in school.
And yeah, Chicago politicians are corrupt. That's how we like them. They don't hide the fact that they're scumbags. If something gets done in Illinois it's because someone got paid. If something doesn't get done it's because someone got paid.
If the politicians in washington are going back off of online gambling, it's going to be because someone got paid. |
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OB-Wan222
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Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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14573 Total Signatures as of today
So only 150 or so people have signed since June. That's not good.
It is a "known fact" (for whatever that's worth), that personal notes even emails are more effective than mass petition drives.
But as to the politics of this thing...
It's not about political parties or principles - its about raw power. When politicians see a downside to voting against gambling then they will reconsider. Just like with lotteries - when politicians think its in their benefit they will vote for it, regardless of their party or professed principles.
When pro-gambling people muster enough power to override the votes/money of religious, casino and other interest groups then we will be able to make changes. The truth is most people have much bigger problems, so its hard to muster an "outraged" grass-roots movement to promote on-line poker.
I think we need to start the same way the lottery forces started, by re-framing the debate. Instead of being pro-gambling we need to emphasis how gambling is the American Way. Taking risks with our money in an effort to improve our lives - very free enterprise. Rugged individualism, entrepreneurialism, probably even finding a way to divert some tax money to a popular cause, like rebuilding our highway infrastructure, thata's real popular right now.
Anyway you get the idea - all we need now is enough people to get behind the effort. Sorry but 14,000 just isn't going to do it. |
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ManilaDog
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Location: Brockton Ma and Republic Of Philippines
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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14,000,000,000 from on line isnt going to do it.On line is to anonymous and able to be done. people can sign thousand s of phony names .etc.
A bill needs to be passed simply exempting Poker from any and all gambling bills.....as has been done with horse racing and lotteries.....D'Amato knows how to do it if the PPA lets him. |
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blues bro
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Location: somerville,ma
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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SpyEng
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Joined: 29 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: HR 4411 |
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| The U.S. Congress passed an amended version of H.R. 4411, the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA), Sept. 30 after it was attached to an unrelated Homeland Security bill entitled the Port Security Improvement Act (H.R. 4954). I believe it was signed into law by President Bush. How does HR 4411 impact being able to play on Full Tilt Poker? Can we withdraw money after depositing? |
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Vision
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Joined: 23 Nov 2007
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Location: Michigan
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sorry can't sign
I do not support government "legalization" of online gambling, because it is already legal. the UIGEA is an "enforcement act" directed at the businesses that handle the money transactions and their security and reporting measures. Those that bailed or blocked US players did so only because they didn't want to bother to comply with new regulations. added expense, etc.
I firmly do not support taxation because there are no less than 3 bills introduced with taxation of "DEPOSITS", "WINNINGS" and "WITHDRAWALS"
Can you say DOUBLE, TRIPLE Taxation?
IRS rule effective March, 2008. All winnings $5000 and over must be reported to player with W2 and by site to IRS. Give it time to go to lower and lower levels.
I have written my senators and congressman, and urge you all to make the effort to do so individually as well.
(stepping off soap box)
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DeadMoneyDad
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| ManilaDog wrote: |
14,000,000,000 from on line isnt going to do it.On line is to anonymous and able to be done. people can sign thousand s of phony names .etc.
A bill needs to be passed simply exempting Poker from any and all gambling bills.....as has been done with horse racing and lotteries.....D'Amato knows how to do it if the PPA lets him. |
D'Amato may or may not know how to do it but there has been no desire from the PPA and IGC to invest in the infrastructure to actually become a real grassroots political player.
In truth, I think they really thought the EU and WTO would force Congress to action and the investment wasn't needed.
I was at the October Fly-in and was appalled that a smart guy like Barry thought we would have a poker bill in less than six months. Now where would he get such a silly idea?
Perhaps it is because I do grassroots political organization for a living that I was seen as just another shill looking to cash in on a new group. But I have been trying to get the PPA to get ready for '08 since August.
If everyone wants action it is going to take action. Not writing letters or signing online petitions, but showing up.
The old adage, except for Chicago, is elections are won by those that show up. In Chicago you vote anyone you can get registered living, dead, and then some. But that is another matter.
Someone in the PPA forum pointed out that that there are more poker players in the US than Gays. Look how much political action that group has managed. Online players is about equal in numbers to gays. Of course we have about the same number of people as pot smokers. Sometimes I think it might be easier to organize pot smokers than it will be to organize poker players. But at least poker players will not forget which day election days is as with Tourney's we're pretty good at showing up on time. Well as long as we don't count on Phil!
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bbrichie1
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| I still remember the date that my favorite poker site would not accept U.S. Transactions on online gaming at PartyPoker i used to love that site because players were so loose and you could always win but until October 13, 2006 I logged in and it said according to The United States of America Congress all Transactions to the residents of The United States of America on online gaming will not be accepted at PartyPoker. IT REALLY SUCKED!!! |
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nittanyagent
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| I was signature 15,000! Sign it fooo! |
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pokerpro1078
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| im signed (evryone join the poker players alliance thats another thing that will help .we are alomst 1 million members strong .they have to listen to us the more people the better .just like the nra the ppa could change things and protect are rights !! |
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pokerpro1078
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[quote="bbrichie1"]I still remember the date that my favorite poker site would not accept U.S. Transactions on online gaming at PartyPoker i used to love that site because players were so loose and you could always win but until October 13, 2006 I logged in and it said according to The United States of America Congress all Transactions to the residents of The United States of America on online gami
ng will not be accepted at PartyPoker. IT REALLY SUCKED!!![/qu ote]same thing happend to me. till this day you can go to jetsetpoker.com same message still up ,basically im **** for my 200 i built up from 20 20 bucks. ******* just left with evry1s money didnt pay off any1 just left the message thats still on there today 2 years later www.jetsetpoker.com ******* |
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rockycatt
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Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: just replied to from my congressman |
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Dear Mr catt
Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding internet-based gambling. I appreciate the opportunity to respond.
Please know I have noted your views on this subject as well as your support for access to online gambling services. While mindful of concerns raised about internet gambling, I did not support an absolute prohibition in the 109th Congress. The allowance of other forms of gambling by both public and private entities, as well as the questionable likelihood of effective enforcement of a voluntary activity, in my view mitigates against criminalization.
As you may know, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) has introduced legislation (H.R. 2046) that would, among other things, provide for the licensing of Internet gambling facilities by the Director of the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network. This bill is currently under the consideration of the House Committees on Financial Services and Energy and Commerce. In the meantime, please be assured that I continue to give your views serious consideration.
I appreciate you taking the time to weigh in on this issue. Please feel free to do so regarding any matter of concern to you.
Sincerely,
John F. Tierney
Member of Congress |
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