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byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2361

here's a couple of different hands that i played and wanted some feedback on. I know that there are massive flaws with my play so constructive criticism is appreciated. here goes:

Full Tilt Poker Game #458786175: Table Crystal Water - $0.25/$0.50 Ante $0.05 - Limit Seven Card Stud - 21:06:43 ET - 2006/02/23
Seat 1: gander ($8.65)
Seat 2: kevinwalsh11 ($19.10)
Seat 3: byamamoto1 ($10.40)
Seat 4: JTMechanic ($4.65)
Seat 5: brujula ($4.70)
Seat 6: Armbuster ($11.55)
Seat 7: ExudeTheMood ($4.80)
Seat 8: DJ_Gambler ($4.25)
ExudeTheMood antes $0.05
byamamoto1 antes $0.05
gander antes $0.05
brujula antes $0.05
Armbuster antes $0.05
JTMechanic antes $0.05
DJ_Gambler antes $0.05
kevinwalsh11 antes $0.05
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to gander [6s]
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [4h]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [Ac Qs] [Kc] (somewhat marginal hand, but felt playable due to the loose table, also figured to represent 3 to flush since i didn't raise)
Dealt to JTMechanic [7s]
Dealt to brujula [6h]
Dealt to Armbuster [Jh]
Dealt to ExudeTheMood [2d]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kd]
ExudeTheMood is low with [2d]
ExudeTheMood brings in for $0.10
DJ_Gambler calls $0.10
gander folds
kevinwalsh11 completes it to $0.25 (very very loose, completed almost every other hand)
byamamoto1 calls $0.25
JTMechanic folds
brujula calls $0.25
Armbuster calls $0.25
ExudeTheMood calls $0.15
DJ_Gambler calls $0.15
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [4h] [2s]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [Ac Qs Kc] [5c] (now have a back door flush draw to go with 3 big cards)
Dealt to brujula [6h] [5s]
Dealt to Armbuster [Jh] [3d]
Dealt to ExudeTheMood [2d] [3s]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kd] [Qd]
DJ_Gambler bets $0.25
kevinwalsh11 calls $0.25
byamamoto1 calls $0.25 (figured by this flat call, a 4 flush might be represented)
brujula calls $0.25
Armbuster folds
ExudeTheMood folds
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [4h 2s] [9c]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [Ac Qs Kc 5c] [4c]
Dealt to brujula [6h 5s] [Jc]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kd Qd] [Qc]
DJ_Gambler bets $0.50 (put on maybe a small pp otherwise i couldn't see him not completing a bet with two k's to start with)
kevinwalsh11 calls $0.50
byamamoto1 raises to $1
brujula folds
DJ_Gambler calls $0.50
kevinwalsh11 calls $0.50
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [4h 2s 9c] [8c]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [Ac Qs Kc 5c 4c] [5d]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kd Qd Qc] [Td]
DJ_Gambler checks
kevinwalsh11 checks
byamamoto1 bets $0.50 (felt a check was too weak and he would have surely bet it and knew i didn't have the flush)
DJ_Gambler calls $0.50
kevinwalsh11 has 15 seconds left to act
kevinwalsh11 folds
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to byamamoto1 [Ac Qs Kc 5c 4c 5d] [3h]
DJ_Gambler bets $0.50
byamamoto1 folds
Uncalled bet of $0.50 returned to DJ_Gambler
kevinwalsh11: he aint go the cliubs'
DJ_Gambler shows [Kh Ts Kd Qd Qc Td Th] (a full house, Tens full of Kings)
DJ_Gambler wins the pot ($6.60)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.90 | Rake $0.30
Seat 1: gander folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: kevinwalsh11 folded on 6th St.
Seat 3: byamamoto1 folded on 7th St.
Seat 4: JTMechanic folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: brujula folded on 5th St.
Seat 6: Armbuster folded on 4th St.
Seat 7: ExudeTheMood folded on 4th St.
Seat 8: DJ_Gambler collected ($6.60)

now with this hand i know i made multiple mistakes. my first mistake probably was trying to represent a hand. players will never release two pair or even a top pair so it wasn't a smart idea to try and represent the hand. the flat call on 3rd i though said 3 to the flush or wired pair, but couldn't do much more. after the 3rd club hit the board, i had to raise, if nothing else than to try and take a free card off. i got caught up in a chasing hand, and felt i played this horribly. any suggestions.

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2361

another hh

Full Tilt Poker Game #458821882: Table Crystal Water - $0.25/$0.50 Ante $0.05 - Limit Seven Card Stud - 21:22:24 ET - 2006/02/23
Seat 1: ChrisLa ($1.80)
Seat 2: kevinwalsh11 ($17.65)
Seat 3: byamamoto1 ($7.80)
Seat 4: JTMechanic ($3.90)
Seat 5: rayguns32 ($5)
Seat 6: Yakk3232 ($4.60)
Seat 8: DJ_Gambler ($18.75)
kevinwalsh11 antes $0.05
Yakk3232 antes $0.05
byamamoto1 antes $0.05
ChrisLa antes $0.05
JTMechanic antes $0.05
DJ_Gambler antes $0.05
5 seconds left to act
rayguns32 is sitting out
Time has expired
rayguns32 folds
Yakk3232: howdy sailor
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to ChrisLa [Qd]
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [3d]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [6h 5h] [7s]
Dealt to JTMechanic [4h]
Dealt to Yakk3232 [Kd]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kc]
kevinwalsh11 is low with [3d]
kevinwalsh11 brings in for $0.10
byamamoto1 calls $0.10 (loose call, but players behind weren't aggressive and could have taken another card to see what develops)
rayguns32 has returned
JTMechanic calls $0.10
Yakk3232 calls $0.10
DJ_Gambler calls $0.10
ChrisLa calls $0.10
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to ChrisLa [Qd] [2s]
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [3d] [Ah]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [6h 5h 7s] [8h] (straight draw, backdoor flush)
Dealt to JTMechanic [4h] [Tc]
Dealt to Yakk3232 [Kd] [3s]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kc] [Jd]
kevinwalsh11 bets $0.25 (VERY LOOSE PLAYER)
byamamoto1 raises to $0.50 (raised to take another card off)
JTMechanic folds
Yakk3232 folds
DJ_Gambler calls $0.50
ChrisLa folds
kevinwalsh11 calls $0.25
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [3d Ah] [4d]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [6h 5h 7s 8h] [6d]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kc Jd] [2d]
kevinwalsh11 bets $0.50
byamamoto1 calls $0.50 (loose call?)
DJ_Gambler calls $0.50
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to kevinwalsh11 [3d Ah 4d] [Ks]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [6h 5h 7s 8h 6d] [5s]
Dealt to DJ_Gambler [Kc Jd 2d] [7d]
kevinwalsh11 bets $0.50
byamamoto1 raises to $1 (now had to bet the 4 to the straight on the board)
DJ_Gambler folds
kevinwalsh11 folds
Uncalled bet of $0.50 returned to byamamoto1
byamamoto1 mucks
byamamoto1 wins the pot ($4.70)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.90 | Rake $0.20
Seat 1: ChrisLa folded on 4th St.
Seat 2: kevinwalsh11 folded on 6th St.
Seat 3: byamamoto1 collected ($4.70), mucked
Seat 4: JTMechanic folded on 4th St.
Seat 5: rayguns32 is sitting out
Seat 6: Yakk3232 folded on 4th St.
Seat 8: DJ_Gambler folded on 6th St.

even though i won the hand, i feel i didn't play it correctly. please assess and post thoughts.

guitarguy178 · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject:

I don't mind your play up until 5th street. When three other clubs hit the board, plus two of your queens and a king where out, you were running thin on outs. This would have been time to abort.

goomlah · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: 2nd hand

the 2nd hand was played pretty well. You have to bet and raise with your board cards as is. I think almost everyone would unless they see a pair on another board.

Zophar · Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:05 am Post subject:

In hand one, without the completion, you really weren't representing anything unfortunately. With the straight call of the completion of a loose player, most would assume you may just have a moderate hand, like a mid pr or a drawing hand like you did have. You could have represented 4 to a flush and reraised 4th, but DJ Gambler was in the same position, upcard wise. When he paired his Q, that was the time to jump ship instead of raising. You have to figure that he was 4 to a flush or 2 pr when you're still drawing.

Hand 2 was pretty good, the only thing I might have done differently was raise 5th st. instead of smooth calling it. Your hand was a much better heads up hand than 3 way. DJ Gambler had 3 diamonds up on 6th which could have put him 4 to a flush. You had a strong hand at that point, but not a monster per se. Overall though it was a nice hand.

flafishy · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 77

Instead of representing a three-flush on the first hand, I would have represented a pair of Kings and raised it. That should have cleared most everyone out behind you and given you a better idea of what DJ_Gambler had.

My guess is had you done that, you, DJ_Gambler and probably kevinwalsh11 would have seen fourth street. Obviously, if you pair up on fourth street, then you play the hand out. But let's assume you do not pair up on fourth street. Still, if you have the high board, and you've already raised third street, bet. If either of them calls or raises, it's probably time to abort and you get out of the hand fairly cheaply. If one of the other two players has high board on fourth street and they bet out despite your third-street raise, then obviously you fold. But if one of the others has high board and they check it to you, you probably will win the pot with a bet. But you could also opt to see a free card to try to make a hand, whichever you prefer.

In any scenario, a raise on third street might have stolen a pot for you on fourth street, given you enough information to get out of the hand cheaply or given you the opportunity to see a free card or two. You really didn't give yourself much opportunity to play this hand well by just calling the completion.

Really, the only time I would call a completion with this hand is if I were the last to act and two or three people called ahead of you. That way, you have some pretty decent pot odds to try to make a hand by fifth street.

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