Online Poker Forum - Did I play This right?

MotorHead_87 · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 88

Jus twondering if i played this right. He had a donkey hand but did i read him right on the flop?

PokerStars Game #15916464678: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/03/11 - 22:37:27 (ET)
Table 'Eunomia V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: ShutupKissMe ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: D0NTL00KN0W ($7.45 in chips)
Seat 4: ffdave ($5.66 in chips)
Seat 6: Bgeiger ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 7: AsianChic69 ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 8: MetaMega ($2 in chips)
Seat 9: VICKYLYNNW ($8.25 in chips)
nonisguy will be allowed to play after the button
Bgeiger: posts small blind $0.02
AsianChic69: posts big blind $0.05
MetaMega: posts big blind $0.05
123harry123: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MetaMega [Ks Kd]
nonisguy joins the table at seat #5
MetaMega: checks
VICKYLYNNW: folds
ShutupKissMe: calls $0.05
D0NTL00KN0W: calls $0.05
ffdave: calls $0.05
Bgeiger: calls $0.03
AsianChic69: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4c 6d]
Bgeiger: checks
AsianChic69: checks
MetaMega: bets $0.25
ShutupKissMe: folds
D0NTL00KN0W: folds
ffdave: raises $0.25 to $0.50
Bgeiger: folds
AsianChic69: folds
MetaMega: raises $1.45 to $1.95 and is all-in
ffdave: calls $1.45
*** TURN *** [Ts 4c 6d] [As]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 4c 6d As] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MetaMega: shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
ffdave: shows [Ah 4d] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
ffdave collected $4 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.20 | Rake $0.20
Board [Ts 4c 6d As 6s]
Seat 2: ShutupKissMe folded on the Flop
Seat 3: D0NTL00KN0W folded on the Flop
Seat 4: ffdave (button) showed [Ah 4d] and won ($4) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 6: Bgeiger (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: AsianChic69 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: MetaMega showed [Ks Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 9: VICKYLYNNW folded before Flop (didn't bet)

bxball · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject:

no offense bud but you've probably played this hand as bad as you could've possibly played it.

we've all slow-played kings and aces preflop before, but if you're going to play them soft preflop you need to be able to dump them on the flop

your opponent showed strength and was able to limp with an ace.. a raise preflop could've saved you a lot of money here, or even picked up the blinds if he's a tighter micro-limit player

cardfish2 · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Did I play This right?

2 high flush · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Did I play This right?

cardfish2 · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:43 am Post subject:

My bad

rldcakqj10 · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

Whats up. Cardfish made a great point, how did 2 people post the big blind? Unless you are just joing the table and posting under the gun. If this is the case remember it is better to post in later postions like the button, cut off, etc since you will be dealt a random hand. You were quite lucky to catch kings here. Plus why are you buying in for less than 50 BB? I dont know how long you were watching the table before posting, but if you didnt see MAJOR aggression coming from any of the players to your left (behind you) then slowplaying kings here was the first & most major mistake of the hand (besides posting under the gun). Remember in lower stakes or almost anywhere online, players love to play and will play almost any ace (even A 2) from most positions, so you should have raised to get rid of any small aces. By you not raising ffdave (the player that beat you) was receiving odds of at least 4.5 to 1 on the button (good position) to call, so you cant fault him for at least a call here. On the flop I think you should have made @ min a pot sized bet w/ all of the players that you allowed in the pot a larger than normal sized bet would make sense here. ffdave's raise/call here was really loose while holding bottom pair. Even w/ an ace kicker he probably should have folded to your initial bet & definitely after you raised him all in. If you havent done it already, please note him as a donk, but it was you fault he was even in w/ A 4 offsuit in the first place.

You posted this: http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=49331 a couple of days ago, looks like the bad beats are affecting your play. Your not even raising w/ big pairs any more when its clear you should.... you might wanna consider taking a break.

igetmoney515 · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that always sucks dude.

But it happens, that just poker.

StevieWard · Message Board Junkie Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1964

Yep - you gotta raise that preflop, get rid of all the crappy hands.

Its better to wait for the blind - if you keep posting early, you will lose more money in the long run.

suseJdroL · Three of a Kind Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 82

OK. I see what you were going for here.. You figured by showing weakness preflop, you could get more money in the long run.. That is partly true, but here is your problem.

You ended up playing the hand against 5 opponents.. Beginners wrongly assume that the idea of raising is to get more money in the pot. That is not the case.. The idea is to reduce the number of opponents when you have a strong hand so that you are likely to win. Your goal is 1 or 2. If you have one opponent with KK, you are 82.4% to win.. With 2 opponents, it is 68.9%. With 5 opponents, your chances drop to 43.0%. So, you just took a monster hand reduced yourself to less than a 50/50 chance of winning. So, how do you fix that.

You have to raise, and you want your raise to be big enough that most players will fold and you can take 1 or 2 into the flop. In your case, with 5 opponents in, I might have made it .40 or .50 to go.. That would get rid of most of your opponents and put you in a better position.

Now, lets say you have 2 left. Your pot is a little over 1.50.. you see that flop.. you now bet .75 to 1.00. They have to think you have top pair or better, so they are likely to fold. If not, you are still in great position.

You can put the rest in on the turn, and pot odds will force the call.. Why not check. Cause any player with a brain is going to force you all in on the turn if your stack is that small. Better to force them to make the decision and hope they might fold than give them the control. Now you are going to river with 1 opponent at most.. my guess is the A4 dude would have been out preflop or on the flop at best.

suseJdroL · Three of a Kind Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 82

Big Slick x13x · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject:

bxball you're seriously saying that he should have folded Kings on that flop? I wouldn't fold Kings there against 95% of the players I've ever played against and that includes a very wide range of levels.

They've already mentioned that posting that close to the button is terrible. The ONLY place I will post is if I get the button or I'm in the cut off. Checking the blind that you posted isn't terrible as there are players who will raise someone who posts with any 2 cards however if you come back over the top it pretty much gives your hand away and you won't get any action, so just raising in the first place is much better.

Also, raising preflop would not have pushed that A4o out of the hand. It's .02/.05 no one is folding an ace.

rldcakqj10 · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:18 am Post subject:

MotorHead_87 · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 88

The reason i didn't raise preflop was my position. I was too early and wanted someone else to raise first so i could raise him. I wasted pocket aces twice at this table because i raised it maybe 4 or 5x the big blind and everyone would fold. So I knew i had a lot of blind s tealers at this table. So i figured okay they raise i reraise them and even if they fold i still got some value from my hand.

The part that makes me mad is how he called my all in with low pair and an ace kicker.

rldcakqj10 · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject:

Well, for future referrence note that when limping in w/ K's in early position you run the risk of allowing small A's or any A seeing a flop. I would still raise w/ K's in FIRST position unless I was 100% absolutely sure a raise was coming behind me. Limping in FIRST position is better done w/ AK suited or A's, those hands are still vulnerable, but not as much as the K's are. O yeah, the all in call really sucked for you, but thats poker.

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