Online Poker Forum - How bad did I screw this one up?

deathtopaul · Four of a Kind Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 334

Stage #767864699: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit $0.50 - 2007-09-20 19:05:20 (ET)
Table: CRETE ST (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 8 - ZACHATTACK07 ($51.84 in chips)
Seat 9 - MERTZ ($38.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - SHARKKING1 ($112.66 in chips)
Seat 2 - SCRAPPERDOG ($98.15 in chips)
Seat 3 - SUAL1 ($44.07 in chips)
Seat 4 - GTILK ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 6 - EZAK ($132.61 in chips)
Seat 7 - PATCH777 ($30.02 in chips)
MERTZ - Posts small blind $0.25
SCRAPPERDOG - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to ZACHATTACK07 [3d 10s Ac 2c]
SUAL1 - Raises $1.75 to $1.75
GTILK - Folds
EZAK - Folds
PATCH777 - Folds
ZACHATTACK07 - Calls $1.75
MERTZ - Calls $1.50
SCRAPPERDOG - Folds
*** FLOP *** [3c Qh 4c]
MERTZ - Checks
SUAL1 - Bets $5.75
ZACHATTACK07 - Calls $5.75
MERTZ - Calls $5.75
*** TURN *** [3c Qh 4c] [3h]
MERTZ - Checks
SUAL1 - Bets $22.50
ZACHATTACK07 - Calls $22.50
MERTZ - All-In(Raise) $31 to $31
SUAL1 - Calls $8.50
ZACHATTACK07 - Calls $8.50
*** RIVER *** [3c Qh 4c 3h] [Jc]
SUAL1 - Checks
ZACHATTACK07 - All-In $13.34
SUAL1 - Folds
ZACHATTACK07 - returned ($13.34) : not called

Once again I'll walk you through my thought process, as retarded as it may be. From what I've read, A23 with the A suited is good enough to raise/call, so I called his raise. On the flop I have the nut flush draw, a straight-flush draw, and the nut low draw, so I'm feelin pretty good. I decided to smooth call to keep MERTZ in, figuring I have a decent scoop draw (is that ok?). OTT I got really confused. I'm thinking there's a decent chance he could have my trips with TK beat at the moment, but I'm still drawing to the nut low and he could just be making this move with trips and a straight/flush/low draw meaning I could still draw to the nut flush/straight/boat to beat him. On top of this, I'm getting 2:1 odds on my money. Am I justified in making this call or should I be outta that pot pretty quick? After that call, the rest of the hand played itself. I'm committed to the point where I have to call the tiny turn raise and put the rest in OTR. Thoughts?

jiveunion · Pair Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 26

I woulda smooth called as well with a ton of nut draws in your favor, let other people hit/chase their worse low/flush hands and scoop a bigger pot, obviously the trips are kind of scary because they probably negate your flush draw, and then you're really only playing for the low, but since you were holding the trips with the best kicker, i think you gotta stick with it. in oh8, i generally feel a bit safer when holding a flush against a paired board, one of those folks holding QQ or JJ is a lot less likely as compared to plo, but its always risky and you must be wary. still, while holding the nut low draw and a possibility of making a good boat or nut flush, i dont think you can play this any better.

Strasse · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject:

Normally I might reraise PF, but since you are on the button, I like the smooth call. OTF, I raise. You have a very strong draw, but if it doesn't get there, you only have a pair of 3s. I'd raise here to try and take the pot. Since you smooth called, I definately push OTT. You have trips here, which is likely to be the best hand, plus the nut low draw still. If you are beat, it happens, but I'm pushing here.

doorbread · Two Pair Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 67

I'm popping that flop everytime. If your mistake wasn't popping on the flop, then it was definetly calling the turn. After the board paired, it's possible that you're drawing to 1 out for the high, (5c) and a possible quarter in the low even if you do hit.

LazurusLong · High Card Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 6

In plo8, calling in early position and raising late with a lot of callers in front with a great hand is the way to play, no doubt. You were unfortunate that you had no callers of the initial raise and smooth calling is not bad. However, I rarely want a random hand playing and would consider reraising. This raise is not to build the pot, but to fold the blinds. Every time someone folds your equity in the pot increases. It is obviously a balancing act, more callers means more money, but as in most flop games a great starting hand doesn't necessarily make a great ending hand. In my opinion, you would need a Kc or Qc to be out against you when you flop a flush draw, and an A3 out there for low. Lower flush cards are played quite a bit but not by good players. Chances of both are remote, so when you get the great flop, you prefer your opponent bet, but if they check, you bet, and anyone without the flush draw and a low draw should fold, and you are a slight underdog to top set with an A5. If the flop comes high, you can try the highboard bluff against one player and get way with it much more often than against two, especially a blind hand. Who knows what the blind has? The decision to pull or push is often muddled, but I don't want the blind to play. Comments please???

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