Online Poker Forum - Would you make this play?

guitarguy178 · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: Would you make this play?

Deep into a horse tournament, already in the money, 10 players left. I have been hanging on all tournament, blinds are 500/1000 and the game is limit hold'em. I have about 9000 and im in the big blind. I am dealt 6 7 suited spades and it is folded around to the small blind who raises to 2000. I call. Flop comes out 4s 8s jc. (or something really similar). SB bets 1000 giving me 5-1 on my money so I call. Turn brings the 3s giving me a flush with a straigh flush draw. SB bets into me, I raise and and SB calls. River comes out 10h and the SB bets 2000 and I call which puts me all in. SB turns over A 10 offsuit.

I was called every name in the book for this play, (fish, flipper, etc.) I had to protect my blind being so short stacked and I was getting proper odds after the flop. What do you guys think?

Funkay Flex · Straight Flush Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 487 Location: VA

i'm not too crazy about committing all those chips preflop (i would have moved all in b/c you only had 9 big blinds left), but postflop, you played the flush draw well. your call was correct b/c you were getting proper pot odds, and i dont see why everybody would belittle you for making that call.

GripHoldOn · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: Re:

Funkay Flex · Straight Flush Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 487 Location: VA

guitarguy178 · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: Re:

bennyprofane · Full House Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Posts: 169

If there are 10 players left in a HORSE tourney, you must have been at one of two five-seat tables, meaning if you pass on your SB here you only have 3 'free' hands until the BB comes back around to chew up more of your stack. 3 more people have to be eliminated before the table consolidates to one 8-seater, so you have lots of short-handed play left with the blinds coming around pretty quickly. If you fold, you have only T8500 remaining, and your m is too low. If you wait until the next time around, you may find it less favorable and wind up in a position where doubling up only gets you back to your original T9000--or less. These factors indicate that playing the hand may be in your favor. If you don't hit the flop, get out of there with your remaining T7000 and hope to double it up soon.

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

I think you played it better than your opponent did. Your opponent called your raise on the turn when all he could beat was a bluff.

I think his desire to knock you out of the tourney overrode common sense. You had called his bets preflop and postflop, and now you're raising on the turn. He should have given you credit for a hand.

The only questionable move I see is the preflop call, but considering that your opponent was a big stack bully, it's reasonable to assume that he would have raised with any two cards. Taking a stand on suited connectors, when the pot is offering you 3-1 odds, is certainly justifiable.

BBVD9 · Guest

I would have bet out preflop and on the flop if I played that hand, I feel your play wasn't bad, but betting instead of calling gives you two ways to win ( He folds, or you turn the best hand) instead of just one, Making the best hand. You were in a position where you were short stacked and defending your blind, with suited connectors against a possible steal playing the hand is not a bad play. By raising it also gives you information on where you are in the hand, where calling does not. By just calling you get no information.

ox750 · High Card Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 1

Back to preflop...What are you putting the SB on? Has he shown down his agressive hands? What range is he cabable of? What hand do you think he'll put you on when you just call preflop?

I don't think he's going to backdown without commited agression by you from there on out though. He's got chips and reasons to bust you though maybe not the odds.

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Once the flop comes and you jam it, he's got to give you credit that he's behind. Short stacks are dangerous to play against. Maybe he's got the chips to risk a 60/40 situation to bust you out if he doesn't mind doubling you up in the process.

I figure that this is a good shot with a short stack to get your money in with the odds in your favor. On the flop, I think the faster the better. There might be a chance you'll take it right there before you have to get there. With a raise on the flop and pos through the hand, his turn bet would probably give you a good indication whether he wants a showdown.

I'm a donkey and new...just my opinion.

bigwheell · Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:56 am Post subject:

I would have folded to the raise, even at the shorthanded table you were at, you needed a perfect flop to continue the hand, which you got, and it worked out for you that time. It has been my experience that you don't get in a pot with the chip leader, he can take chances that you cannot afford...fold to his raise, and you can steal your blinds back or raise with a good hand after the blinds pass and you can get your chips back.

It seems that you were somewhat committed to the pot after the flop with all the draws out there, I think you did good after the flop. I would have gotten all my chips in with the flush and hoped that the board didn't bring a 4th spade...good chance to kill your flush.

Yimman · Straight Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 120 Location: Montana

Yours was not the worst play in that situation. The worst play was the A-10 pushing with nothing until the river.

Steamed Rice · Message Board Junkie Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1433

you took advantage of his overagressiveness in limit holdem

you played the hand a lot better than he did...if he called you a donk, i would have needled him more

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