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DC11GE
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 Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:06 am Post subject: GRRRRRRRR, So freakin close.....AGAIN |
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I've played 2 Omaha h/l tourneys today and made the final table on both. Thats pretty good I'd say. Got 5th place in the first one and I was hugely short stacked with 11 left and managed to hang on to get the first pay spot. I played pretty badly too. In the 2nd one, it was a very slow start and I was again hugely short stacked going to final table. Then I hit a nice rush. I went from short stack to chipleader in 2 hands. Shortly after that I had over a 2:1 chiplead. I had 105k and 2nd place had 45k. Then all hell broke loose.
I just kept getting screwed left and right. I have a great starting hand on the button, I raise cause the blinds are short stacks, they go all in, I call, BB has A's. Happened twice in a row. Had nut low draw, KQ falls on the turn and river. That happened 5x's. I basically doubled up all the short stacks till I was one and then busted, again, in 5th place. I have to be the unluckiest successful tourney player  I've never won an online MTT. I've gotten many final tables, and more often then not I get ITM. I just can't get a win. Everytime I get that far, I get srewed. I even made it a point to not get into un-favorable situations. For the most I didn't. All the times I raised the short stacks, the raise was about their size, so calling their allin was the right move, they just happened to have AA on their side. 1 hand was KKA2, and the other was A2JT. Both great starting hands. I can't belive how many draw I missed on these too. Just insane. What an odd night.
Just a rant, don't mind me. |
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number1stunna4
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: Re: GRRRRRRRR, So freakin close.....AGAIN |
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I've played 2 Omaha h/l tourneys today and made the final table on both. Thats pretty good I'd say. Got 5th place in the first one and I was hugely short stacked with 11 left and managed to hang on to get the first pay spot. I played pretty badly too. In the 2nd one, it was a very slow start and I was again hugely short stacked going to final table. Then I hit a nice rush. I went from short stack to chipleader in 2 hands. Shortly after that I had over a 2:1 chiplead. I had 105k and 2nd place had 45k. Then all hell broke loose.
I just kept getting screwed left and right. I have a great starting hand on the button, I raise cause the blinds are short stacks, they go all in, I call, BB has A's. Happened twice in a row. Had nut low draw, KQ falls on the turn and river. That happened 5x's. I basically doubled up all the short stacks till I was one and then busted, again, in 5th place. I have to be the unluckiest successful tourney player I've never won an online MTT. I've gotten many final tables, and more often then not I get ITM. I just can't get a win. Everytime I get that far, I get srewed. I even made it a point to not get into un-favorable situations. For the most I didn't. All the times I raised the short stacks, the raise was about their size, so calling their allin was the right move, they just happened to have AA on their side. 1 hand was KKA2, and the other was A2JT. Both great starting hands. I can't belive how many draw I missed on these too. Just insane. What an odd night.
Just a rant, don't mind me. |
Im not too sure about Omaha tournament strategy but I am a rather good holdem player. In holdem it is generally not a good idea to attack the small stacks blind for that precise reason that happened to u. they will push over the top all in and sometimes u mite have decent odds to call. The blinds or players u really want to attach are the medium stacks as they r less likely to be pushing back and do not want a confrontation with the big stack. And judging by your post this is the exact reason for your downfall. Just some food for thought for ya. |
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DC11GE
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Trust me, I know all that. I see what you mean but they were hands that I have called all in with if I wasn't the aggressor. I'd even go all in with them if I needed to. They were great hands, the BB's just happened to have AA each time. I wasn't attacking for the sake of bulling and stealing blinds. It's not often that 2 hands in a row, the BB's have AA. THats what I was saying. I made the correct plays on those, I just ran into the nuts. It's like having KK and someone else having AA. I don't see 2 hands in a row where the BB has AA very often. |
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number1stunna4
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| gotcha. tuff luck then. its still sometimes best to relax with an overwhelming chip lead and not even get involved with those stacks. I like to see a flop with a chip lead like that and outplay my opponent on the flop or turn. no need to let lady luck get involved with these all ins. example in holdem i mite even lay down QQ or KK to a reraise all in just to keep my huge lead and go on to win. lady luck can be a biitch. |
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DC11GE
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Yep, thats exactly right. In HE, I don't have this problem very often. It's usually cause I get card dead, not so much getting sucked out on or unlucky. I better end the streak soon if I'm gonna all those WSOP bracelets next year |
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number1stunna4
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| haha, best of luck to ya in all ur future tournaments. |
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DJ Ninjah
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| It's hard to say without knowing how much you had compared to the short stacks (if it's better than 8-1 then you can really push anything at them), but I think you made a mistake with the A-2-J-T hand. I mean if the ace was suited it was a borderline play, normally I love that hand, but it's not that strong against an all-in. Knowing that, with short stacks to follow you, the raise with it on the button was a mistake. As far as the nut low draws, if there are 3+ people in the pot, you should probably only play them for better than 3.5-1 pot odds, because you are probably getting quartered anyway. It took a while for me to learn, but with a big chip lead folding the nut low draw, or even sometimes a made nut low, is only a small mistake. |
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number1stunna4
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| DJ Ninjah wrote: |
| It's hard to say without knowing how much you had compared to the short stacks (if it's better than 8-1 then you can really push anything at them), but I think you made a mistake with the A-2-J-T hand. I mean if the ace was suited it was a borderline play, normally I love that hand, but it's not that strong against an all-in. Knowing that, with short stacks to follow you, the raise with it on the button was a mistake. As far as the nut low draws, if there are 3+ people in the pot, you should probably only play them for better than 3.5-1 pot odds, because you are probably getting quartered anyway. It took a while for me to learn, but with a big chip lead folding the nut low draw, or even sometimes a made nut low, is only a small mistake. |
agreed u need to protect your chip lead by all means necessary and go into attack mode at the right times. |
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DC11GE
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| DJ Ninjah wrote: |
| It's hard to say without knowing how much you had compared to the short stacks (if it's better than 8-1 then you can really push anything at them), but I think you made a mistake with the A-2-J-T hand. I mean if the ace was suited it was a borderline play, normally I love that hand, but it's not that strong against an all-in. Knowing that, with short stacks to follow you, the raise with it on the button was a mistake. As far as the nut low draws, if there are 3+ people in the pot, you should probably only play them for better than 3.5-1 pot odds, because you are probably getting quartered anyway. It took a while for me to learn, but with a big chip lead folding the nut low draw, or even sometimes a made nut low, is only a small mistake. |
I see what you're saying. Against a couple of the shorties, I had about a 10:1. This is only the 3rd time I've played Omaha h/l aside from HORSE. Adjusting to the fact that there is a low is taking a bit of time. And remembering that there isn't always a low is as well. |
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