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Big Slick x13x
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 Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: This is just funny |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #870427464: 250 Play Money Sit & Go (5815228), Table 1 - 60/120 - Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 20:10:39 ET - 2006/08/06
Seat 1: MNBox (1,438)
Seat 2: AceHighFlush66 (1,380), is sitting out
Seat 3: frank7478 (1,199)
Seat 5: bowstrings (5,485)
Seat 7: Big Slick x13x (1,578)
Seat 8: J4CK4ZZ (1,055), is sitting out
Seat 9: zoltrin (1,365), is sitting out
MNBox posts the small blind of 30
AceHighFlush66 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Big Slick x13x [As Tc 7c Jc]
frank7478 calls 60
bowstrings calls 60
Big Slick x13x calls 60
J4CK4ZZ folds
zoltrin folds
MNBox calls 30
AceHighFlush66 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 9c 4h]
MNBox checks
AceHighFlush66 checks
frank7478 bets 60
bowstrings folds
Big Slick x13x calls 60
MNBox raises to 120
AceHighFlush66 folds
bowstrings is sitting out
frank7478 raises to 180
Big Slick x13x raises to 240
MNBox calls 120
frank7478 calls 60
*** TURN *** [Qc 9c 4h] [8c]
MNBox checks
frank7478 bets 120
Big Slick x13x raises to 240
MNBox calls 240
frank7478 raises to 360
Big Slick x13x raises to 480
MNBox calls 240
Big Slick x13x: i get the high
frank7478 calls 120
*** RIVER *** [Qc 9c 4h 8c] [Jd]
MNBox checks
frank7478 checks
Big Slick x13x bets 120
MNBox calls 120
frank7478 calls 120
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Big Slick x13x shows [As Tc 7c Jc] (a straight flush, Queen high)
MNBox mucks
frank7478 shows [Qd Qs 2h 2s] (three of a kind, Queens)
Big Slick x13x wins the pot (2,820) with a straight flush, Queen high
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,820 | Rake 0
Board: [Qc 9c 4h 8c Jd]
Seat 1: MNBox (small blind) mucked [8d Qh 4c Th] - HI: a straight, Queen high
Seat 2: AceHighFlush66 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: frank7478 showed [Qd Qs 2h 2s] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Queens
Seat 5: bowstrings folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Big Slick x13x showed [As Tc 7c Jc] and won (2,820) with HI: a straight flush, Queen high
Seat 8: J4CK4ZZ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: zoltrin (button) didn't bet (folded)
I gave them a fair warning |
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byamamoto1
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| lol yea the new guys won't ever let go of a set, especially the hold'em converts. they just think it too monstrous of a hand to get off of. |
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AlexScottUK
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think I would lay down many sets at the play money tables either. Lets face it, it's just too likely someone has top pair. |
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stevn
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| what's funny is that you played a hand with a jack and a ten in a hi/lo split game... that's a sucker hand. |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| what's funny is that you played a hand with a jack and a ten in a hi/lo split game... that's a sucker hand. |
It's a sucker hand, but not because of the Jack and Ten. Playing good high only hands in Omaha hi/lo is perfectly fine, especially in limit. |
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Big Slick x13x
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| stevn wrote: |
| what's funny is that you played a hand with a jack and a ten in a hi/lo split game... that's a sucker hand. |
It was early in the tournament and the table was weak. I could easily limp in to every hand and hope to catch. I usually wouldn't play that hand. Like in the MBJ HORSE tourney for example.
The funny part is I announce "I get the high" and they still call me down on the river when there is no low possibility. |
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stevn
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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actually yeah it is a sucker hand because it had a jack and a ten in the hand... both of those cards normally aren't going to help you win the high and they certainly can't win the low... oh well it was play chip so i'm not saying it was stupid... i probably would hvae played it in a play chip tourney.
and didn't you already post this hand once before because i thought i remember you or somebody else posting something about your hand and in it you said i get the high |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| stevn wrote: |
| actually yeah it is a sucker hand because it had a jack and a ten in the hand... both of those cards normally aren't going to help you win the high and they certainly can't win the low... oh well it was play chip so i'm not saying it was stupid... i probably would hvae played it in a play chip tourney. |
No, having 4 cards ten and up is usually an acceptable omaha hi/lo hand. There's a flop that's coming up with no possible low or only 1 low card often enough to limp in with a good 4 high card hand.
What made this the sucker hand was the 7 and the fact that the Ace didn't play much to any other card except for the straight possibility. |
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stevn
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| i didn't even pay attentino and see that everybody limped... that's okay... if it were raised thought i would even think about playing the hand. it'd be an okay hand for omaha but not hi/lo |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| i didn't even pay attentino and see that everybody limped... that's okay... if it were raised thought i would even think about playing the hand. it'd be an okay hand for omaha but not hi/lo |
No, you were right the first time when you said it was a sucker hand. It is a sucker hand. However the reason why you'd want to fold it is because of the 7, and not because of the ten and jack. That 7 is really no good in any format. A7 certainly won't win low, and any hands that make hi that use that 7 will usually win only half the pot. The object is to scoop and that hand is not made to be a scooping hand. You probably wouldn't want to play this hand in Omaha hi unless you were short handed or in the blinds.
If the 7 was a K or Q (preferably of spades), then you'd have a playable hand, even by hi/lo standards. If the flop comes up with only 1 low card, or no low cards, you are most likely to have hit the flop the best. Not only will you be likely to have the best chance of hi, but you'll also scoop the pot. |
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stevn
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| actually i really know nothing about omaho hi/lo and i rarely play it but the only piece of advice i have ever heard came from tj cloutier who is one of the best omaha 8ob players. he said the game is real easy to win at because so many other players play sucker hands... hands with tens and jacks in them. he just says if they hit those cards they really don't have a high and they certainly won't have a low... if you had jack ten suited idk that might be okay for some good draw. |
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byamamoto1
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| the real sucker card in omaha H/L is the 9. usually if you have to use a 9 in your hand to make a straight, theres always a higher one out there or the board has paired, making the full house for one of your opponents or there is a low in the game. either way these scenarios don't help your situation in any way. |
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DJ Ninjah
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| byamamoto1 wrote: |
| the real sucker card in omaha H/L is the 9. usually if you have to use a 9 in your hand to make a straight, theres always a higher one out there or the board has paired, making the full house for one of your opponents or there is a low in the game. either way these scenarios don't help your situation in any way. |
Heh, someone read SS2. As far as the J-10 goes, I'm on the fence as to whether or not this is a sucker hand (maybe because I'm a sucker?). A-J-T-X looks plenty playable to me for a limp in late position, in PL/NL. In limit I don't see the implied odds making this play worth it. The key is, if you are gonna make broadway, you better use the ace. Reason being K-Q-T means no lows will be possible. Straights are so flimsy in Omaha/8 that the last thing you need to worry about is someone hitting a runner, runner low. With a straight, it's probably the best hand possible for you, so you need as few draws as possible, at least sets have built in redraws. |
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byamamoto1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| lol, caught me there DJ. i agree with A-J-T-x being a playable hand. if x is a wheel card, theres no doubt that i'm playing this hand, even for a slight raise. theres a lot of value, since JT has the ability to contend legitimately for the high end if the board allows. like you said theres a higher straight redraw with the A in your hand as well, so all-in-all i think its definitely a playable hand. |
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