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marsupial311
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| aarosakura wrote: |
| HH for mikah's random shove? and for him going out =)? |
Didn't stick around for it or I'd post it. The poker gods avenged Mikah when I got it in preflop with Kings twice and ran into Kings for a split pot and Queens that hit its two outer on the flop. He had roughly 1k chips with 100/200 blinds and 4 people left. |
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lovebeefstew
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francois8
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Mikah wrote: |
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sigh...
so you raise more when you want everyone to fold. Good thinking. |
And when I want to extract value,and when I want to isolate,fold people out to isolate 1 or 2 players.
additional components to raise sizing is: Are there donks?Do the donks call more often?Do donks call with crap when they are on the BB or SB when they are getting a discount and what they think are good pot odds to call with their ATC crap?If I raise less will I get 6 players calling instead of just 1 to 2 players calling?Stake levels: low stakes call more than mid stakes,and mid stakes call more than high stakes.Thus a good idea is to in early stage at lower stakes raise 2 to 3 BB higher than normal,and at mid stake 1 to 2 BB's higher then normal in early stages,and at higher stakes,.25 to .50 BB higher at early stage.
And at low stakes at mid stages raise 1 to 2 BB's higher than normal.And at mid stakes mid stage,raise .35 to .85 BB's higher than normal.And high stakes,mid stage .15 to .25 BB higher than normal.
And at low stakes late stage,.50 to 1 BB higher than normal.At mid stakes late stage .15 to .25 BB higher than normal.And at higher stakes at late stage,a standard raise or less.
And at low stakes end of tourney,.15 BB higher than normal or standard raise or less.And at mid stakes,end of tourney,make a standard raise or less,and at higher stakes make less than a standard raise.
The point this is making is that to do a lot of things at lower stakes,like getting everyone to fold,isolating players,extracting value,etc,you usually have to at the very least bet at least a little bit more than whats normal.
At mid to higher stakes a player can make standard raises.But not in low stakes.I also btry to mix up my game,and balance out my range while I play this way,so that players dont auto think,he is raising more,he wants everyone to fold,or he is raising more,he must have a strong hand.
I also raise more or less depending on poker table position as well.I raise less in early position,I raise more from later positions,an raise medium between raisng less and more on the blind on the rare occasions I do raise the blinds. |
Thank you its all so clear now. When I write my book, I'll use the Mikah opitmum raise formula here. FWIW, I'm not even flaming you... you actually wrote this in your above post, but with more words. I'm providing the cliff notes version.
OOR = BB+ (#donk *BB) + (C*BB) + (S*BB) + (ESM*BB) +(MSM*BB) + (LSM*BB)
OOR = Optimum Opening Raise
#donk = The number of known or suspected donks at table, spotted by their 3x opening donk raises
C = chit multiplier, 1 if I have weak hand, 3 if real chit
S = stakes multiplier, 0 for high stakes, 1 for mid stakes, 2 for low stakes
ESM = Early Stage Multiplier 2 low stakes, 1 mid stakes, 0.25 high
MSM = Mid Stage Multiplier: 2 low stakes, 0.85 mid stakes, 0.25 high
LSM = Late Stage Multiplier: 1 low stakes, 0 for mid stakes, -1 for high stakes
Thank you, its all so clear now Mike. I see now that I've been doing it wrong all this time. I prefer the advice from Daniel Negranu: "Don't play trash hands."
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marsupial311
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| You forgot the position multiplier,your donk formula is only semi good,decent,average,chocolate,good,solid. |
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richlynx
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I really enjoyed our game yesterday cant wait to do it again  |
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craigo6x
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| marsupial311 wrote: |
| You forgot the position multiplier,your donk formula is only semi good,decent,average,chocolate,good,solid. |
[x] non sequitur in this post
PS What time is tonight's Mikahments. I want in. |
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Mikah
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Location: Spokane,WA,USA
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| Also enough with the murder's row of players thing,thats going to make it even harder to do well in these things and turn around this bad run,even though I played ok in comparision to the sharks around me. |
that was fun yesterday.
i was a bit torn tbh.
one part of me thought: hm, this might be not fair as it will probably be way tougher to score him than under 'normal conditions'
the other part of me thought: hm, maybe this is actually giving him an advantage, as by taking the seats, there was less room for the real donky donks |
Yes it was nice for a break and change from the usual donkaments.It reminds me of playong offline at the casino's. |
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Mikah
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37.registering to play now.Out.Card deaded down til forced to shove crap all in,after marsupial bad beat me AQ < A7 all in preflop
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You mean this hand.
Full Tilt Poker Game #15780676450: Satellite to Midnight Madness! (115699677), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:30:59 ET - 2009/11/03
Seat 1: marsupial311 (915)
Seat 2: Mikah (2,220)
Seat 3: Basscadet7 (1,325)
Seat 4: SignofFour (1,970)
Seat 6: TwoPlanker (3,590)
Seat 7: owledge (920)
Seat 9: AuburnBluff (2,560)
SignofFour posts the small blind of 50
TwoPlanker posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to marsupial311 [7h Ad]
AuburnBluff: nh
owledge folds
AuburnBluff calls 100
marsupial311 raises to 915, and is all in
Mikah raises to 2,220, and is all in
Basscadet7 folds
SignofFour folds
TwoPlanker folds
AuburnBluff folds
Mikah shows [Ac Qh]
marsupial311 shows [7h Ad]
Uncalled bet of 1,305 returned to Mikah
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3d 7s]
*** TURN *** [Tc 3d 7s] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3d 7s 9h] [3s]
Mikah shows a pair of Threes
marsupial311 shows two pair, Sevens and Threes
marsupial311 wins the pot (2,080) with two pair, Sevens and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,080 | Rake 0
Board: [Tc 3d 7s 9h 3s]
Seat 1: marsupial311 showed [7h Ad] and won (2,080) with two pair, Sevens and Threes
Seat 2: Mikah showed [Ac Qh] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 3: Basscadet7 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SignofFour (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: TwoPlanker (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: owledge didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: AuburnBluff folded before the Flop
Yes, It was a bad beat. But you also had plenty of chips left and were still in after I busted out 18 hands later. (QQ>KK, the poker gods avenged you). You immediately shoved the next hand and then folded until you were down to an M of about 3 (When I left). You need to be more proactive about getting chips when your stack is short like that so you don't just fold out of the game on the bubble.
Not that you'll listen, you'll just cry about the bad beat that I insta fistpumped/lol'd about. That was worth my $3.30 |
I dont shove 72 until I am like 4 x BB and have to,and awfully hard to accumulate chips when all you getting is 72 type crap hands.
Like Tracysanders said, you have to have at least a semblance of somethin to work with. 86 suited,87,97suited,98,108 suited,109,J9 suited,J10,22+,Q9+,K9+,A2+
And I couldnt even get anything even close to as good as that barely playable range
There is such a thing as getting so card dead to the point where you have to fold until your 3.5 to 5 x BB and have to then desperation shove ATC.
But of course you dont understand that,because you never ever get that card dead,or if you do unlike me and tracy and others,shove,raise,call play 72 type hands,if thats all your getting. |
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jeffr8
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Mikah
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Hi Mikah. Besides the video you are going to make for lbs are you planning on making any vids as was promised in the OP? I would of thought the games you played against all the forumers would of been a good opportunity for an interesting video considering they probably made numerous dumbbutt donk plays.
That being said maybe you are waiting till you progress to the mtt stage of the BAP to make vids? Just wondering. |
I have made some vids already.Most have been very boring.
I havent been making many vids,because I have been busy trying to turn around bad run.And making a vid does take a little bi away from focus,concentration,and I need every edge I can get to turn bad run around,like focus concentration,etc.
Also I havent felt like making vids,due to the bad run,due to how I have been treated like crap,here,and how I have been sick with a cold.
Also I have been waiting for good spots to me vids.Your right in that I probably missed an opportunity when everyone decided to play with me.
But that took m a little by suprise,as I wasnt expecting that to happen,and so didnt make a vid.
As to what my vid making plans were,are: I plan to make some vids of these sats,and vids of the MTT's. |
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NilesMonkey
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| Mikah wrote: |
| I havent been making many vids,because I have been busy trying to turn around bad run.And making a vid does take a little bi away from focus,concentration,and I need every edge I can get to turn bad run around,like focus concentration,etc. |
Maybe making the vids will help you gain some insight on some mistakes you have been making?
Oh, wait, that's right... you haven't been making any mistakes. |
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Mikah
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ok I got a question about this resteal attempt,that I would like an opinion from tracysanders,Fran,on.
Full Tilt Poker Satellite to Midnight Madness! No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 6 players
The Official Hand Converter
SB: t4150 M = 34.58
BB: t1738 M = 14.48
UTG: t2902 M = 24.18
Hero (MP): t1495 M = 12.46
CO: t890 M = 7.42
BTN: t2325 M = 19.38
Had been playing tight,so even if open raiser has a hand like KQ,A8,etc,I think open raiser would fold a hand like 22,44,KQ,A8.
Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is MP with 3 3
1 fold, Hero calls t80,
I open limp 33 from early position to set mine,and because if someone raises late position,and they look like they are trying to steal,and if tey dont raise to high,and if tre is dead money,I can reraise resteal pick up som needed chips.
1 fold, BTN raises to t210,
I thought villain was stealing here
1 fold, BB calls t130,
I think BB had the same read of QQ villain as me and had semi marginal crap,and decided to flat call with that range,and so put dead money in the pot.
Hero raises to t1495 all in,
I tried to resteal here,because I thought villain was stealing,and I thought BB was making a pretty much dead money call,and so I tried to esteal to pick up a perceived 400 to 500 chip dead money pot with my 1495 chip stack.
Wit the blinds 40/80 and about to go up to 50/100 and then 60/120,I felt I needed to make a move to pick up some chips,and I felt that this was a good spot to try and do so.I think that 7.5 times out of 10 in a situation like this here,what I did will work.
BTN raises to t2325 all in, 1 fold
Flop: (t3240) Q 8 A
Turn: (t3240) 8
River: (t3240) K
[spoil]Final Pot: t3240
Hero shows 3c 3d (two pair, Eights and Threes)
BTN shows Qs Qh (a full house, Queens full of Eights)
BTN wins t3240
[/spoil]
So what do you guys think Tracy,Fran?Is my reasoning sound?I think so,but I am not totally sure,and am a little bit unsure,and I would like some input from you on this one.
Also,the reason Why I have waited this long to postthis HH and didnt post it earlier,was because I was trying to play out more volume and didnt have time initially to post this,and then after I was done posting last night,I forgot to post this,as I was tired from being sick with the cold I have(which is getting alo better and will be over soon)
Also I will be running some errands,doing some shopping,paying some bills,etc etc.Its tat tim of month for that.
So I will play later on between 5pm to 8 pm,if I have time and can. |
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marsupial311
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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I dont shove 72 until I am like 4 x BB and have to,and awfully hard to accumulate chips when all you getting is 72 type crap hands.
Like Tracysanders said, you have to have at least a semblance of somethin to work with. 86 suited,87,97suited,98,108 suited,109,J9 suited,J10,22+,Q9+,K9+,A2+
And I couldnt even get anything even close to as good as that barely playable range
There is such a thing as getting so card dead to the point where you have to fold until your 3.5 to 5 x BB and have to then desperation shove ATC.
But of course you dont understand that,because you never ever get that card dead,or if you do unlike me and tracy and others,shove,raise,call play 72 type hands,if thats all your getting. |
Stop name dropping like you know what you're talking about. You don't need a hand to shove on the button and steal the blinds into an unopened pot. Make them wake up with a hand to call you not wait until they have to call 5% of their stack to gamble with ATC. A7o is a pretty **** hand to shove with but i'd rather shove 9BB with that than wait for the top 20% of hands so I can shove with 3BB. |
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KyFried
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mikah wrote: |
| marsupial311 wrote: |
| Mikah wrote: |
37.registering to play now.Out.Card deaded down til forced to shove crap all in,after marsupial bad beat me AQ < A7 all in preflop
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You mean this hand.
Full Tilt Poker Game #15780676450: Satellite to Midnight Madness! (115699677), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:30:59 ET - 2009/11/03
Seat 1: marsupial311 (915)
Seat 2: Mikah (2,220)
Seat 3: Basscadet7 (1,325)
Seat 4: SignofFour (1,970)
Seat 6: TwoPlanker (3,590)
Seat 7: owledge (920)
Seat 9: AuburnBluff (2,560)
SignofFour posts the small blind of 50
TwoPlanker posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to marsupial311 [7h Ad]
AuburnBluff: nh
owledge folds
AuburnBluff calls 100
marsupial311 raises to 915, and is all in
Mikah raises to 2,220, and is all in
Basscadet7 folds
SignofFour folds
TwoPlanker folds
AuburnBluff folds
Mikah shows [Ac Qh]
marsupial311 shows [7h Ad]
Uncalled bet of 1,305 returned to Mikah
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3d 7s]
*** TURN *** [Tc 3d 7s] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3d 7s 9h] [3s]
Mikah shows a pair of Threes
marsupial311 shows two pair, Sevens and Threes
marsupial311 wins the pot (2,080) with two pair, Sevens and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,080 | Rake 0
Board: [Tc 3d 7s 9h 3s]
Seat 1: marsupial311 showed [7h Ad] and won (2,080) with two pair, Sevens and Threes
Seat 2: Mikah showed [Ac Qh] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 3: Basscadet7 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SignofFour (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: TwoPlanker (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: owledge didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: AuburnBluff folded before the Flop
Yes, It was a bad beat. But you also had plenty of chips left and were still in after I busted out 18 hands later. (QQ>KK, the poker gods avenged you). You immediately shoved the next hand and then folded until you were down to an M of about 3 (When I left). You need to be more proactive about getting chips when your stack is short like that so you don't just fold out of the game on the bubble.
Not that you'll listen, you'll just cry about the bad beat that I insta fistpumped/lol'd about. That was worth my $3.30 |
I dont shove 72 until I am like 4 x BB and have to,and awfully hard to accumulate chips when all you getting is 72 type crap hands.
Like Tracysanders said, you have to have at least a semblance of somethin to work with. 86 suited,87,97suited,98,108 suited,109,J9 suited,J10,22+,Q9+,K9+,A2+
And I couldnt even get anything even close to as good as that barely playable range
There is such a thing as getting so card dead to the point where you have to fold until your 3.5 to 5 x BB and have to then desperation shove ATC.
But of course you dont understand that,because you never ever get that card dead,or if you do unlike me and tracy and others,shove,raise,call play 72 type hands,if thats all your getting. |
Mikah, in this type of tourney and given the chips you have why would you call AI PF, I understand you have a decent hand here but you also have a decent stack and you put half of at risk to a small stack, you don't even have a bling to be stolen here. Would'nt you think the small stack has an equal or better hand here since he is not really in desperation mode at this point thus making it a coin flip situation. Not only do you risk half your stack but you also risk feeding the poor. |
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tjb111
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stop ignoring me mikah and answer yes or no
nothing will be judged, it can be private if you want. I just want to play you in a few games of $2 HU |
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