Online Poker Forum - help me understand this

8844783 · Pair Joined: 20 Jun 2009 Posts: 43

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Phil Hellmuth opened to 24,000 from under the gun, and as it folded round to Steve Jelinek in the big blind he raised the action to 76,000. Instantly Phil Hellmuth stood up, threw his hands in the air, did a lap round the table and sat back down. "All day" he uttered before eventually folding one card at a time; Ac 2s 5s Js. As the fifty-plus onlookers watched the commotion, Jelinek rolled over his Ad Ah 9h 2d. "Unbelievable!" screamed Hellmuth as he stood up yet again. "Can you believe this?" he directed towards me as I stood only feet from the table. "Everytime I get Ace, Deuce, Five, they wake up with Aces. I've had to lay down Ace, Deuce, Queen, Jack I don't know how many times today . . . this is ridiculous" Hellmuth continued. For all you Hellmuth lovers and haters, the most successful WSOP player of all time still remains one of the short stacks with 37,000 in chips.

Does Jelinek obviously have a nut scoop? In a nutshell can someone tell me what Phil is crying about and why he won't play this hand?

Aelfinn · Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:17 am Post subject:

Helmuth is complaining because he is a whiny ****. He used to be a good poker player, but the poker world has now passed him by. The only thing he has left is compaining when he loses so that some people might actually believe he is still one of the best in the world. Helmuth is f-ing joke as far as I am concerned.

umarplus · Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:44 am Post subject:

beside the fact that Phil indeed complains a lot:

A2xx is a very playable hand in O8. against some massive raising/reraising you want to consider laying it down often tho.

AA2x is one of the finest starting hands in O8. it has some huge potential for the high and low. (AAanylowX is very strong too)

laying down A2xx and opponent shows AA2x, means you made a good laydown, but is still disappointing, since A2xx is a great hand to play.

maybe compare it to a situation in holdem where you get AJ often, run in reraises all the time and your opponents show AK after your fold repeatedly...

i hope that helps.

on a sidenote: showing Phil the folded hand to tilt him, seems to work prettyx fine xD

Strasse · Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject:

phareal15 · Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject:

JINGOisME · Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:15 am Post subject:

He's aggrivated because he has a great hand and with J's raise he knows it's not the best this hand and must fold it and unable to play or win. A2 is great to have but a great player won't put all their chips in pre on a possible low split pot. They will have A2 with some power stacked behind it.

I think Phil is still a good player. He did win the HU cha
pionships a few years ago did t he? Against he top world players.

Aelfinn · Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:52 am Post subject:

Strasse · Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject:

Aelfinn · Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject:

cubbies760 · Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject:

There's nothing unusual about this hand....absolutely nothing. Phil was obviously getting picked off prior to this hand, and must've been tilting/steaming a bit up until this hand. He's a whiny crybaby. We all know that. It is what it is, in that regard.

He did go a bit overboard, though, as if his open raise hand was a great hand. It's definately at the low end of an UTG raising hand, and he got picked off by a nice re-raise by a great starting hand.

Phil is whining because that's what he does, and he's not playing his hand to a re-raise because it's not worthy of playing once it gets popped.

sixandfour · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject:

A2XX isn't worth squat vs. an obviously better high hand in a HU pot. Its value is in multiway pots where you can hit a low relatively cheap and actually profit from half the pot and freeroll for the high.

Autosuggestion · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject:

It's annoying when you get 3-bet all the time. Most players aren't as vocal as Phil is about how annoyed they are.

A25J vs. AA29 is about 35/65 fwiw.

2busythinkin · High Card Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Posts: 4

vectorspace · Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject:

I'm assuming they were playing PLO8, which plays much more like PLO than limit O8. In that case, A25J doesn't play well HU for another big bet. Was a good fold. If this was limit O8, it's a snap call.

Strasse · Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject:

OP is from june

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